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How do we ACTUALLY make money!?
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(05-29-2016, 09:31 PM)akrvbob Wrote: You can always make more money, you can never make more time.

My father worked at a job he didn't really like all his life and then retired at 60 never having to think about money again--I mean well-off!!

He was dead at 62.

In his whole life all he ever enjoyed was his vacations. Yes, he always had hobbies and did things--as his LORD and master, his JOB, allowed it.

Seeing the tragedy of his life set me on a course I've never regretted!!  
Bob

I watched my father do a similar thing.   It all started out ok.  Then a major illness happened and despite his medical insurance it wiped out that nest egg - and his dreams.  
And as a Chef I have seen it time and again in nursing homes and retirement homes.  Big dreams of travel to see the world once retired only to have it all disappear in the tragedy of old age and illness.

“Lo, I would wander far away, I would lodge in the peace of the wilderness."
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(05-29-2016, 09:31 PM)akrvbob Wrote: You can always make more money, you can never make more time.

My father worked at a job he didn't really like all his life and then retired at 60 never having to think about money again--I mean well-off!!

He was dead at 62.

In his whole life all he ever enjoyed was his vacations. Yes, he always had hobbies and did things--as his LORD and master, his JOB, allowed it.

Seeing the tragedy of his life set me on a course I've never regretted!!  
Bob

In the book "Your Money or Your Life" Vicki Robin and Joe Dominguez raise the question as to what money actually is.  They raise the argument that Money is what we are willing to exchange our life for.  We have been conditioned to consider consumerism as the end all and that enough is never enough. They make the point that all you need is just enough to meet your needs and just a little bit more.  But if you go too far beyond your needs, then you start down the slippery sloop where your things require that you work more just to maintain so you don't want to go too far beyond your needs.  The drive for consumerism also leads people to go into debt, and that causes people to give up more of their life in exchange for more money.
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(12-17-2017, 04:05 PM)geogentry Wrote: And as a Chef I have seen it time and again in nursing homes and retirement homes.  Big dreams of travel to see the world once retired only to have it all disappear in the tragedy of old age and illness.


I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I make my living as editor for a small publishing company, so I basically read books for a living. Not only do I love my job and enjoy doing it, but I work completely online and can do it on the road, any place I can get a wifi connection. So I can travel wherever and whenever I feel like going, and work whenever I feel like it (usually on days that it's raining and I don't wanna visit a museum or park or whatever) or not.

No "rat race" for me. Even though I "work" 3 or 4 days a week, it feels to me as though I've already retired. As someone once said, "Do a job that you love, and you'll never work a day in your life. 

Idea

Living in "Ziggy the Snail Shell" since May 2015
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(12-17-2017, 05:21 PM)lenny flank Wrote: I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I make my living as editor for a small publishing company, so I basically read books for a living. Not only do I love my job and enjoy doing it, but I work completely online and can do it on the road, any place I can get a wifi connection. So I can travel wherever and whenever I feel like going, and work whenever I feel like it (usually on days that it's raining and I don't wanna visit a museum or park or whatever) or not.

No "rat race" for me. Even though I "work" 3 or 4 days a week, it feels to me as though I've already retired. As someone once said, "Do a job that you love, and you'll never work a day in your life. 

Idea

I should have brought up that later in "Your Money or Your Life" that Robin and Dominguez make a distinction between "work" and "paid employment". Work is defined the jobs that we might do because it gives us pleasure.   That might include things such as charity work, coaching a little league base ball team, or being a boy scout leader. But it could also be things such as yard work or gardening.  Paid employment is the job that we do simply to get money.  For most people there is a clear delineation between "work" and "paid employment", but for a lucky few there is no distinction.

When I was employed as a software engineer, I thoroughly enjoyed my job.  I found it to be highly creative and I felt that I could create new functionality very quickly.  This gave me pleasure.  Because I enjoyed it so much I constantly was getting promotions and pay raises, but truth be told I didn't care about that.  I really think I would have done my best because I enjoyed it so much.  I remember once I told a senior vice president that once you reached a certain point (where you were able to cover your needs) that getting a pay raise really didn't mean all that much.  At the time I had just increased my earning to about $50K.  About two years later I was interviewing for a new job in California.  I was asked how much I should be paid and I replied $100K.  My future boss just laughed and said "Yea sure, don't we all!!!".  But two years later, I was making the $100K.   My point being that your attitude towards your "paid employment" has a lot to do with turning your "paid employment" into "work".  And if you truly enjoy your "work", then there is a high probability that you will also see monetary increases.  But this won't mean as much because you are doing your "work" with gusto because you enjoy it. 

Lucky indeed is the person who has a passion for their job and views it as a pleasure and not just a "paid employment".
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