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FloorPlans-Layout drafts - requesting input
#31
(05-24-2015, 11:17 PM)GotSmart Wrote: I am still confused as to where the batteries and power panel will go.

I haven't planned these yet, but maybe like this:

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I'll consider other options.. One might be to put the battery and electrical stuff on the drivers side, just in front of the rear wheel well, and put the fresh water tank(s) in the rear passenger corner of the van, behind the wheel well.
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#32
I'm probably reading things wrong but isn't the bed a fold up one so that where you've put the battery and components is going to be where the bed isn't when it's folded into seating arrangement as will the fresh water tank. Or is it the back of the bed that lifts up to form the sofa.

If you're not using a 12 volt pump for getting water from the tank to the sink, you'll want the tank right under the sink so that the manual pump won't have to draw so far. Also, how are you planning on filling the tank - is it removable or are you running fill hose from the outside. Either way, you may want the tank on an outside wall close to the filler tube or more easily accessible from the exterior so you're not armwrestling it in to place.

I'd also suggest that you need to have a lot of the electrical components more accessible than under the bed. Several have monitor panels that you'll need visual access to.
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#33
Going by this latest diagram, the rear doors are unusable, blocked by the bed. The side doors are unusable blocked by the kitchen stuff. I am assuming, you intend egress/ingress via pass through from the front seats?
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(05-25-2015, 09:40 AM)LeeRevell Wrote: Going by this latest diagram, the rear doors are unusable, blocked by the bed.  The side doors are unusable blocked by the kitchen stuff.  I am assuming, you intend egress/ingress via pass through from the front seats?


I tested entry/exit and moving around. There's plenty of room to go in and out from the side. That will be the main entrance. I expect the galley to go out to 4-5 inches less than where the two doors meet (you can see this in the picture below by checking for the door latch at the bottom) Even if the galley has to go all the way to where the two doors meet, I'll be fine getting in and out - I tested that as well. I'm not very big. Plus, rotating the passenger seat may free up even more room for entry, assuming the front of the seat won't stick out a lot more than the back does(?)

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(05-25-2015, 08:02 AM)Almost There Wrote: I'm probably reading things wrong but isn't the bed a fold up one so that where you've put the battery and components is going to be where the bed isn't when it's folded into seating arrangement as will the fresh water tank. Or is it the back of the bed that lifts up to form the sofa.

If you're not using a 12 volt pump for getting water from the tank to the sink, you'll want the tank right under the sink so that the manual pump won't have to draw so far. Also, how are you planning on filling the tank - is it removable or are you running fill hose from the outside. Either way, you may want the tank on an outside wall close to the filler tube or more easily accessible from the exterior so you're not armwrestling it in to place.

I'd also suggest that you need to have a lot of the electrical components more accessible than under the bed. Several have monitor panels that you'll need visual access to.

Yeah, I need to figure this stuff out. I'd like the bed to fold up - definitely to face the front, ideally to face either direction. But I'm not sure yet how difficult that will be. This could mean that when the bed is folded up to a couch facing out the back, the "cover" is off of where the water and electrical areas. The charge controller and inverter faces will be flush with the outer wall of wherever I mount them.  (I think the front/bottom of the bed wouldn't be an idea location for those to be, but probably not a big deal.. having the electrical stuff on the driver's side in front of the wheel well would put them in a better spot.

If I put the fresh water over where it's shown, I'd use a 12v pump. I also need to figure out what type of water tank will fit where I want it, that won't be too hard to put in, and that will have an opening in a position that works.

For accessibility, I may be able to figure out something elegant - like having the front side of the bed (the side towards the front of the van) supported over on the sides (at the rear end of the storage on the drivers side and the galley on the psgr side) and either not have a front panel in front of the water tank, or have one that is removable or folds down. This way, when I fold up the bed into a rear-facing couch, the water section is accessible with no obstructions.
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(05-25-2015, 10:25 AM)FALCON Wrote: Yeah, I need to figure this stuff out. I'd like the bed to fold up - definitely to face the front, ideally to face either direction. But I'm not sure yet how difficult that will be. This could mean that when the bed is folded up to a couch facing out the back, the "cover" is off of where the water and electrical areas.

Seriously think about how often you would use the couch facing out the back doors. After almost 40 years of playing with vans, I can only think of a couple of reasons I'd like to open up the back doors and sit on a couch....a drive in if I parked backwards, a beach with a great view. In both cases it's easier to orient the van parking instead of using the couch facing backwards.

The other things about designing the bed so that it flips into a couch both ways is that neither side can be used for storage or you'd have to move whatever half the stuff is under there to make way for feet. Also the back on the couch doesn't need to be as high as the depth of the seat if it only goes one way.



The charge controller and inverter faces will be flush with the outer wall of wherever I mount them.  (I think the front/bottom of the bed wouldn't be an idea location for those to be, but probably not a big deal.. having the electrical stuff on the driver's side in front of the wheel well would put them in a better spot.

If I put the fresh water over where it's shown, I'd use a 12v pump. I also need to figure out what type of water tank will fit where I want it, that won't be too hard to put in, and that will have an opening in a position that works.

Keep in mind that if the tank is removable you have to concern yourself with what it will weigh when full. If it's permanently placed, that isn't a concern but being able to fill it without spilling water all over the bed or the floor is. Also, the shorter the run for the hose, the better. I'm putting removable smaller containers under the sink itself.

For accessibility, I may be able to figure out something elegant - like having the front side of the bed (the side towards the front of the van) supported over on the sides (at the rear end of the storage on the drivers side and the galley on the psgr side)  and either not have a front panel in front of the water tank, or have one that is removable or folds down. This way, when I fold up the bed into a rear-facing couch, the water section is accessible with no obstructions.
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(05-25-2015, 10:17 AM)FALCON Wrote: I tested entry/exit and moving around. There's plenty of room to go in and out from the side. That will be the main entrance. I expect the galley to go out to 4-5 inches less than where the two doors meet (you can see this in the picture below by checking for the door latch at the bottom) Even if the galley has to go all the way to where the two doors meet, I'll be fine getting in and out - I tested that as well. I'm not very big. Plus, rotating the passenger seat may free up even more room for entry, assuming the front of the seat won't stick out a lot more than the back does(?)

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AH!  I did not see the front side door on the diagram being unblocked but it is.  My bad!  Undecided
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(05-25-2015, 11:56 AM)Almost There Wrote: Seriously think about how often you would use the couch facing out the back doors. After almost 40 years of playing with vans, I can only think of a couple of reasons I'd like to open up the back doors and sit on a couch....a drive in if I parked backwards, a beach with a great view (*1) . In both cases it's easier to orient the van parking instead of using the couch facing backwards.

The other things about designing the bed so that it flips into a couch both ways is that neither side can be used for storage or you'd have to move whatever half the stuff is under there to make way for feet.(*2) Also the back on the couch doesn't need to be as high as the depth of the seat if it only goes one way.

1 - I plan to go to places with nice views as much as possible - that's the main reason for wanting to live in a van - so I can go spend a ton of time in places like that. That said, I've been wondering how useful a rear racing couch would actually be. I mean, I could just sit on the bed facing that way. I'm not going to fall over just because I don't have a back support. Having it couch-able both directions would be more complicated, but it would be nice to be able to pivot the front side of the bed up anyways to get top side access to whats below it - so I still may do that - for under-bed access as much as for the couch.

2 - I'm not sure what design method you've envisioning for the bed/couch transition, but I would build it so that part of the bed that becomes the bottom seat part of the couch stays in the same position. The stuff underneath would not have to be moved at all. I could also keep the back support side in the top position by using small chains hanging from the ceiling, if I wanted to go that route, which would further minimize hardware on the bottom of the bed. It could all be done by simply hinging the bed platform and having the mattress cut with a removable wedge. There are plenty of different ways to do this - ways that take up very little space and don't prevent use of the area under the bed.

Here's one example. It would use a removable portion of mattress to allow just putting a hinge straight on the bed platform, which would then be the simplest motion for swinging up what becomes the couch back support.

(the drawing is a side view. the bed platform would be sitting on a support structure. Not sure if this will make it clear or not, but I don't want to spend more time making a nice drawing right now)

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It would be possible to do this with either the entire length of the bed, or just with a certain portion. Since I'd be sitting in a certain spot (the middle of the bed, not over by the walls) I could just do it for the middle portion - so only a 3 foot or so width of the bed swings up, and the ends of the bed near the van walls just stays down always.

Other possibilities include making a four bar linkage - this could allow the portion that rotates up to follow a specific path, thereby eliminating the need for the removable mattress section. That would be much more complicated to design and build though. (I had to look up what a 4 bar linkage was called... I learned about them and made designs of them back in university, but couldn't remember the name)

(if you're wondering what the hell a 4 bar linkage is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-bar_linkage)
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#39
It's been a while for this thread. Falcon, did you finish the build?
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#40
Hi Mike. I'm getting pretty close to being done. Just finishing up the electrical system and then I will be far along enough to sell my house and move in.

Here is my conversion journal:
http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thre...ion-thread
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