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Running on Fumes
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(03-20-2017, 11:36 PM)debit.servus Wrote: *Provided I comfirm that it's possible to run a 4-stroke gasoline engine using gasoline vapor indefinitely by conducting small-scale tests using an old lawnmower then HONDA EU2000i generator. Upon sucessful comfirmation of the small-scale tests, I'll buy a suitable gasoline automobile to render fuel system modications so the engine runs using gasoline vapor indefinitely.
**Provided I sucessfully confirm running on gasoline vapor in small-scale tests & buy a suitable gasoline automoblie to render fuel system modications so the engine runs using gasoline vapor indefinitely, and said automobile travels on public roads before January 1st, 2018.

From OP on 9/8/16.
"I know it's possible, and I plan to confirm with an old lawn mower, before running the HONDA on gasoline vapor, and before saving my pennies up for a carburated, gasoline van from the 80s to run on vapor."

It's been six months. Have you done any physical experimentation?

Guy
"We're all bozos on the bus, so might as well sit back and enjoy the ride."

Wavy Gravy

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In my youngster days, we had a strange neighbor. One of those guys that could do anything. Machine shop, wood shop, welding room, garages up the giddy. We children were all afraid of Sal. My father operated a Automotive Repair and as a result I was sent with our garage projects and parts need into that warren.
Sal had an old Ford, one of those 4 cylinder engines. Whenever I came to his works he would quickly cover the engine area with an old tarp. I heard the same story from others that had visited Sal's shop works. The few times I was alone at his works, Sal would sometimes want to brag about what he had. That is how I pieced together his latest project. Being a child, I didn't understand all that he tried to explain, but I did have auto experience at my father's arm.
Sal had some kind of evaporator on the fuel line very close to the carburetor. There was some kind of filter, made with a mason jar, that was filled with some silver colored flakes. This was right after the fuel pump. Up above the air cleaner was a paint can with a small pipe threaded into a hole drilled into the air filter. This can was filled with water and had a drip adjustment valve from an old kerosene stove. On the front fender was a square metal box with a glass liner. Sal called it a Edison battery box. The lid had screw down clamps. There were two wires into the top of this box. One at each end. Near the wires were copper tubing that also went into the box, next to the wires. The copper tubing went from the box into the intake manifold, like vacuum lines. The wires were hooked to the largest generator I ever saw on a automobile. I once seen Sal fill this box with water.
I will always remember the day I visited while Sal was putting a drain valve into the bottom of the Ford's gasoline tank. I was amazed that he could do this even while gasoline was running out of the tank. I ran back to my father's place worried that Sal would blow up. Dad just laughed it off and said something about angels fear to tread.
In the following weeks, I often seen Sal draining a jug of gasoline from his drain valve. He said his engine modifications improved the gas millage to the extent he had to drain the excess gasoline every 15 or 20 miles or the tank would over flow.
This is a true story. Sal is long dead, but I can show you the exact shop-works building were it happened and introduce two of his apprentices that are still on this side of the green.
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I seen on youtube somebody take a hacksaw to a car battery. When they dumped it out, a bunch of AA batteries came out. another one was a wire wrapped around a magnet that produced electricity. What they didn't show was they drilled into the magnet looking thing and put in a wafer battery. Just because you see it on Youtube don't make it reality. This is the basis for magic. Deception. You think my eyes don't lie. Yes they do.

Everybody loves a conspiracy. Years back it was a carburetor that gave 100 miles per gallon. You can't achieve that even with fuel injection. The auto makers are mandated to improve the fuel efficiency of their vehicles. It will cost them millions if they don't. I guess they don't know about this fuel vapor thing.
The world is not perfect, and neither am I. Get over it already. 
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as I pointed out earlier you need a 15 to 1 ratio, mas o menos. 15 parts air to 1 part fuel, there is no getting around this. if to try to lean out the ratio ie less fuel, you will raise the combustion temps beyond what the pistons can handle. in short you will have piston failure. the OP ignored this when I first posted it, he will probably ignore it now. btw raising the combustion temp is also going to send the NOX emission though the roof. highdesertranger
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TMG51 (03-24-2017)
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you just got to advance the timing 60 degrees
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hahahaha ok try that one ^. highdesertranger
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And don't forget to change the AA batteries in your vehicle battery.
I posted earlier as well that It takes a specific amount of energy to move a specific amount of weight. The only way gas mileage will improve drastically is reduce the weight. as in carbon fiber frames and bodies. At this point, gasoline is cheaper than making a composite car. So do you want to spend an extra $50,000 to get 60 mpg?

People say ohhh it is the petrol industry that keeps MPG low. They couldn't care less. If you got 200 miles per gallon, the fuel industry would just charge $30 a gallon.
The world is not perfect, and neither am I. Get over it already. 
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(03-24-2017, 11:00 AM)gsfish Wrote: From OP on 9/8/16.
"I know it's possible, and I plan to confirm with an old lawn mower, before running the HONDA on gasoline vapor, and before saving my pennies up for a carburated, gasoline van from the 80s to run on vapor."

It's been six months. Have you done any physical experimentation?

Guy
This is on my agenda, but it's behind "Earn a CDL so I can multiply my income by trucking". If somebody else wants to test this go ahead and share the results, as I have more existensial things on my agenda. Income multiplication is more important than MPG multiplication for me, as money buys options which includes the option to throw money at MPG multiplication.
(03-24-2017, 12:48 PM)Weight Wrote: In my youngster days, we had a strange neighbor. One of those guys that could do anything. Machine shop, wood shop, welding room, garages up the giddy. We children were all afraid of Sal. My father operated a Automotive Repair and as a result I was sent with our garage projects and parts need into that warren.
Sal had an old Ford, one of those 4 cylinder engines. Whenever I came to his works he would quickly cover the engine area with an old tarp. I heard the same story from others that had visited Sal's shop works. The few times I was alone at his works, Sal would sometimes want to brag about what he had. That is how I pieced together his latest project. Being a child, I didn't understand all that he tried to explain, but I did have auto experience at my father's arm.
Sal had some kind of evaporator on the fuel line very close to the carburetor. There was some kind of filter, made with a mason jar, that was filled with some silver colored flakes. This was right after the fuel pump. Up above the air cleaner was a paint can with a small pipe threaded into a hole drilled into the air filter. This can was filled with water and had a drip adjustment valve from an old kerosene stove. On the front fender was a square metal box with a glass liner. Sal called it a Edison battery box. The lid had screw down clamps. There were two wires into the top of this box. One at each end. Near the wires were copper tubing that also went into the box, next to the wires. The copper tubing went from the box into the intake manifold, like vacuum lines. The wires were hooked to the largest generator I ever saw on a automobile. I once seen Sal fill this box with water.
I will always remember the day I visited while Sal was putting a drain valve into the bottom of the Ford's gasoline tank. I was amazed that he could do this even while gasoline was running out of the tank. I ran back to my father's place worried that Sal would blow up. Dad just laughed it off and said something about angels fear to tread.
In the following weeks, I often seen Sal draining a jug of gasoline from his drain valve. He said his engine modifications improved the gas millage to the extent he had to drain the excess gasoline every 15 or 20 miles or the tank would over flow.
This is a true story. Sal is long dead, but I can show you the exact shop-works building were it happened and introduce two of his apprentices that are still on this side of the green.
It sounds like he was cracking water to run the engine from hydrogen which was somehow tied into a system that made gasoline (or what was perceived to be gasoline) from the air, water and maybe the exhaust.

Lets hope the PTB didn't kill him and/or steal that system.

(03-24-2017, 02:49 PM)highdesertranger Wrote: as I pointed out earlier you need a 15 to 1 ratio,  mas o menos.  15 parts air to 1 part fuel,  there is no getting around this.  if to try to lean out the ratio ie less fuel,  you will raise the combustion temps beyond what the pistons can handle.  in short you will have piston failure.  the OP ignored this when I first posted it,  he will probably ignore it now.  btw raising the combustion temp is also going to send the NOX emission though the roof. highdesertranger

This is unproven academic theory: I believe this is due to engine design, heard of people widening the exhaust valves to solve this. Perhaps I'll need a beefed up radiator system with a secondary radiator to make up for the raised combustion temperatures?

Logic would say putting less fuel in the combuston chamber would mean cooler running, I believe the reason lean engines run hotter is because of the lack of unburnt gasoline taking the heat with it as it leaves the engine. The heat has to go somewhere, so look for cooler tailpipe temperatures when running rich.

(03-24-2017, 11:44 PM)DannyB1954 Wrote: ...
People say ohhh it is the petrol industry that keeps MPG low. They couldn't care less. If you got 200 miles per gallon, the fuel industry would just charge $30 a gallon.

I don't know how to reply to the words in bold.

I'm not here to argue over the merits of gasoline vaporization or the status quo of our underunity paridigm ruled by the oil industry.

Has anybody else heard of gasoline vaporization? Anybody know anybody who sucessfully ran their car on gasoline vapor? Are you currently running on gasoline vapor, and relishing the freedom and money savings this MPG multiplier provides? Sound off in this thread!
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#39
I can't believe this discussion can go on so long. Jersey Girl calls this alternative fact.
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hahaha,
"This is unproven academic theory: I believe this is due to engine design, heard of people widening the exhaust valves to solve this. Perhaps I'll need a beefed up radiator system with a secondary radiator to make up for the raised combustion temperatures?"

you think it's unproven. well take any engine and lean it out and see what happens. your beefed up radiator THEORY shows your lack of understanding. you can put the biggest radiator in the world on a leaned out engine or ten radiators and it will not lower the combustion temps from running lean. you already have the most efficient internal combustion engine made, a diesel. no matter what you do you will not make a gasser as efficient as a diesel. at least you answered me this time. highdesertranger
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