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Sleeping in minivan, bear safety tips?
#51
GotSmart: "I hate to tell you TC... That is how we thin the heard."

It's usually the wrong people who get thinned out, like this stupid freak, Jack Dillon Young, 20, who was texting as he drove, crossed the center line and killed 13 people. There was no mention that he was even injured. But he was "sorry" -- like that's going to raise any dead:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...story.html
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#52
(04-24-2017, 09:20 AM)Spaceman Spiff Wrote: What one carries for peace of mind is a personal decision.  My one b!tch with the advocates of bear spray is that I have not found any that have done any serious practice with it, and that includes NP/NF rangers. 
 -- Spiff

It's still not that "cheap" to practice with, but they do sell practice bear spray cans filled with water.  Just make sure you buy the same brand as the brand you carry so you'll know exactly how it works and make double sure you don't carry the practice one by mistake!  I think they are a different color

https://www.amazon.com/Frontiersman-Prac...y+practice


3000 practice hours? How do you keep track? That's over a year straight at 8 hours a day. Or an hour a day of practice every day for 8 years straight. I wonder how many I have?, as a kid I would come home from school and shoot for a few hours until it got dark for a few years in a row. Plus all the other random days I'd shoot anywhere from 1 to 4 hours at a time. And competitively from 10 to 18 years old, but that was just once a week and probably only 20 min of actual range time during competitions. Plus all of that was never under stressful circumstances and with multiple guns
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#53
what an agency's official position is and what the rank a file use is two different things. once I when I was hiking to a claim in the Kenai peninsula of Alaska I ran into a back county ranger, he complimented me on my excellent choices for bear defense, bear spray and a Mossberg model 500 with a slug barrel. he had the exact same weapons. we talked for awhile and went our separate ways. highdesertranger
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(04-24-2017, 10:29 AM)Optimistic Paranoid Wrote: I've gradually come to accept that it has some value, and I would now carry it along with a gun.  The spray would ideally be Plan A, and the gun would be Plan B, and I would certainly hope that the spray would obviate the need to resort to the gun . . .

My problem with that is you are not going to have time for Plan B.  Bear spray has a range of 30 ft.  A grizzly can travel that distance in less than a second.  I figure I will have one shot before the bear is on me.  If I still have my gun, my wits, and am physically capable the rest of the shots will be point blank.

I do carry bear spray, mostly as camouflage for hoplophobic hikers I run into (my gun is hidden in a cross draw pouch).  It would also work for a wild animal that is more curious than threatening, but a boat horn works better for that.

(Yesterday, 10:23 PM)Every Road Leads Home Wrote: Wrote:It's still not that "cheap" to practice with, but they do sell practice bear spray cans . . . 

3000 practice hours?  How do you keep track?  . . . 

Being proficient in a lifesaving skill is not cheap (I don't even want to think about how much I've spent on ammo  [Image: confused.gif] ).  Practice bear spray cans are valuable practice, but I would still advocate practicing a couple of times with the real stuff, especially in wind.  Your most likely encounter with a startled bear is with the wind in your face (bear can't smell or hear you).  Getting blowback is a painful, yet important lesson in how you will react in the field.  And it gives you experience in how the spray works in the wind.

3000 hours is a lowball estimate:  30 years active shooting X range time once a week for 2+ hours + unknown hours of dry fire practice + ~ 6 competitions a year + goofing off (shooting is a my stress reliever).

 -- Spiff
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(04-25-2017, 10:05 AM)Spaceman Spiff Wrote: Being proficient in a lifesaving skill is not cheap (I don't even want to think about how much I've spent on ammo  [Image: confused.gif] ).  Practice bear spray cans are valuable practice, but I would still advocate practicing a couple of times with the real stuff, especially in wind.  Your most likely encounter with a startled bear is with the wind in your face (bear can't smell or hear you).  Getting blowback is a painful, yet important lesson in how you will react in the field.  And it gives you experience in how the spray works in the wind.

 -- Spiff

It sucks BIG TIME.

I haven't been on the receiving end of bear spray but I did go through OC training in the academy. I'd rather be shot than ever have to go through that again...it's miserable.
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https://wms.org/magazine/1206/What-to-do...ter-a-bear
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#57
Rainbow 
Spent decades in Ystone, Mt, Northern WY. Met grizz and brown bears, bull moose and bison. Never had a problem. Human predators are what concern me.

Here's a dude with 80 years experience in Canadian bush bear country. Still alive. Presents options not included in this thread so far. His teacher before him survived too. Taught the Canadian Air Force how to survive their plane going down in bear country.

Before these guys First Nations people (Indians) were teaching the Air Force. Problem was, while the  natives were walking to work they might encounter a moose. They would take down the moose because it provided meat for a long time, while a day's wages would not do the same. 

Here is Mors Kochanski talking about a bear's most vulnerable point: the nose, and how they detest bright lights. Campers in Ystone have survived night time bear invasion by flashing their digcam lights. Best not to rely on that alone though.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q...i+bear+bat
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Tom Brown, Jr.
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Tracker School, NJ
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#58
(04-21-2017, 06:17 AM)GotSmart Wrote: I want to start out with an appology.  I have resisted temptation since this was first posted. ~~~

Any bear trying to get sleep in their minivan should always consiter location.  Avoid hiking locations.  There are stupid humans with pepper spray.  They do not even hve the brains to season themselves, but will try to spray you.  Avoid anywhere that you hear dogs.  During hunting season, go stealth.  Labeling the van as a tofu delivery vehicle is best.  Hunters will go the other way if they see it.   "Ask me about Amway"  bumper stickers are also good.  Always sh*t in the woods, and cover it carefully.  For some reason bear poo attracts hunters and philosophers. Cover the windows so you will not be spoted.  Always use your CPAP.  Nothing is louder than a snoring bear.  Bag your trash.  One gallon honey jars and pick~a~nick baskets around the camp is like a neon sign saying BEAR CAMP!  Also a clean campsite will lessin the chance that Ranger Smith will come exploring.  

Good luck.

Speaking about a Bear in a minivan ~~~ Welcome to Northern California. 

(PHOTOS/VIDEO/AUDIO) Bear Spends Night in Minivan in Bayside; RIP Minivan

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/apr/25...yside-rip/
Trouble rather a tiger in his lair than a sage at his books. To you kingdoms and armies are mighty and enduring, to him they are toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger. G Dickson.
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#59
Rainbow 
(04-26-2017, 10:17 PM)GotSmart Wrote: Speaking about a Bear in a minivan ~~~ Welcome to Northern California. 

(PHOTOS/VIDEO/AUDIO) Bear Spends Night in Minivan in Bayside; RIP Minivan

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/apr/25...yside-rip/

Haha! I love bears but I do not want to see one staring back at me from the inside of my minivan!!
"Awareness is your greatest skill."
Tom Brown, Jr.
Author, Teacher, Outdoorsman
Tracker School, NJ
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#60
put ALL food stuffs and most anything with a good sent. a good 20 feet away from your camp hung by a rope keeping it at least ten feet up.

NO food smells in camp dish towns up n another rope.

NO food smells on you or your camp.
got bear spray? got a larger cal pistol?

whistles are a fools ending. could try a co2 powered hand held boat air horn?
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