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as in is that what we are building ships out of? gee wizz, bends the fender on a freighter and almost sinks. my nephew who drives small boats real fast for the SEALS, he's a CPO BTW jokes that the navy should be called the Beer Can Navy, he said many times he would NOT want to be on ANY of our NEWEST ships in a real shooting war, i used to think he was kidding, i don't think he's kidding now. of course  what do you expect for a lousy $200,000,000
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Rainbow 
While on the subject of beer (and soda) cans, I saw a video that might help van dwellers. Some people hang a few shirts or jackets on one side of their vehicle. To maximize space slide one hole in the tab over the first wire hanger. Then hook another hanger through the tab's other hole. Repeat. Less hanger bunching at the top. A few easily accessible items. Especially helpful in a car or minivan where space is such an issue.
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(06-19-2017, 02:28 PM)caretaker Wrote: as in is that what we are building ships out of? gee wizz, bends the fender on a freighter and almost sinks. my nephew who drives small boats real fast for the SEALS, he's a CPO BTW jokes that the navy should be called the Beer Can Navy, he said many times he would NOT want to be on ANY of our NEWEST ships in a real shooting war, i used to think he was kidding, i don't think he's kidding now. of course  what do you expect for a lousy $200,000,000

   

THIS is the way we USED to build them!
Entrance to the armored citadel of the USS Missouri
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AbuelaLoca (06-19-2017)
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Alas, building them big and thick and strong is rather pointless when all it takes is one anti-ship missile to scatter their pieces all over the sea bed.

In the naval "weapons v armor" race, the weapons are way ahead right now.

Living in "Ziggy the Snail Shell" since May 2015
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PS--I often rile up my jet-jockey friends by telling them that drones have now made manned military aircraft virtually obsolete. But the same is also true of the big Navy battle group. Today, one little converted freighter can carry more deliverable firepower through unmanned drones than an entire carrier group can.

Their days are over.

Living in "Ziggy the Snail Shell" since May 2015
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i was just watching a panel discussion about autonomous vehicles, the BIGGEST driver(no pun intended) of autonomous vehicles is the trucking indst. getting rid of drivers is job ONE. my question is once they get rid of middle class jobs (the 1%ers i mean) who's gonna buy all the stuff all those state of the art factories produce?(25 years in the future):win win cheesley winslow chairman of widget co. talking to his board, why are sales falling? a member says "we will do a redesign of our widgets" win win (he hates to be called winney) says super, do a redesign. so board member says to his phone/computer/personal asst. redesign the widget, 30 secs. later the board sits around oohing and and congratulating themselves on their new widget. win win says make it, board member says to his phone/computer/ personal asst. "produce it" instantly robots start producing the "new widget". the next day the new "widget" is sitting on the shelves(not 1 pesky worker was involved in the making of this widget in any way shape or form) in the local big box. a week later, the board meets again "sales are still falling" junior board member speaks up "we need to do a study to find out why" win win says "do it", so junior board member speaks into his phone/computer/personal asst., 2mins. later junior board member says the 99% don't have jobs, so they don't have any money. slackers says winney. TRUE story in Bloomington Il their is a place called,,,and I'm not kidding,,,,Hamburger University it is a large research/teaching facility that McDonalds owns,,,Folks,when i say its big,,,its huge,,and they are well along in making a restaurant thats pretty much autonomous, so if you were hoping for an exciting fast paced rewarding career flipping burgers i wouldn't get my hopes up, have a nice day,,,warmest Regards,,Caretaker
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There is an apocrypohal story told about UAW President Walter Reuther. One day Henry Ford took him on a tour of an automated factory, run completely by robots. As they walked among the whirring and clanking robot arms, Ford turned to Reuther and triumphantly asked, "Well, Walter, how are you going to get these robots to go out on strike?" And Reuther responded, "Well, Henry, how are YOU going to get these robots to buy Fords?"

Living in "Ziggy the Snail Shell" since May 2015
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Kathleen (06-20-2017), caretaker (06-20-2017)
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every time an automotive co. lays off an employee, they lose three or four sales. Example: I'm from Mi. and when i was little (50 years ago) families that worked for the Big 3, EVERYBODY in that family drove the brand of car that the family member made, when you went to their place for a family gathering the driveway looked like a car lot for that particular producer. But when that family member lost his job, (i remember this vividly) the next year at Christmas we went to their house and almost ALL the vehicles were made in Japan or Germany
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Baloo (06-20-2017)
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not sure how the beer can analogy fits here....assuming you're referencing the collision of the USS Fitzgerald and the cargo ship.

40,000 ton cargo ship with a bulbous nose below the waterline T bones a 2000 ton destroyer punching a huge hole; yet the destroyer still able to be towed back to port...I'd say our boat was built pretty darn tuff.

The real damage was below the waterline and I don't think any pictures of that have been released yet.

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I'm taking care of my procrastination issues;
Just you wait and see.
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Queen (06-20-2017)
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johnnie, i was watching an admiral on the PBS news hour and he said ships are made to minimum thickness, when the moderator asked why, he said to make a ship to WW2 standards would be "considerably" more expensive to operate across its life cycle, i guess because i have 6 nieces and nephews on active duty across all the branches 3 in the navy alone, him NOT mentioning survivability once, i find to be a glaring omission. i guess since i have skin in the game listening to people come up with lame excuses as to why our WAR ships are made to minimum safety standards i find galling, as i said my nephew the CPO said he would NOT want to serve on our newest war ships, and this is a guy who drives speed boats into hostile fire, carries more weight with me more then some politician with shoulder boards, and their brokedick excuses. P.S. he was deployed to OMAN 2 months ago.
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