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Walmart Parking lot.
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(09-25-2017, 10:06 PM)blmkid Wrote: Is the Walmart parking lot not owned by Walmart, which makes it private property? 
If Walmart post signs, in the Walmart parking lot stating, "No overnight parking". Would it not be up to Walmart to enforce their right to call a wrecker service and have them removed?  Is it not the right of Walmart to call local law enforcement to escort and or arrest the violator's?
Is the local government not over reaching their authority, by making laws against private property owners for allowing overnight parking on their property?
We talking USA or about some foreign nation?

In most communities, the parking lot regulations (signage height and appearance, handicap access, striping, fire hydrants, slope, drainage, curbs, trees, etc) for any retail establishment are defined by the city or county zoning department, and/or the property owner or developer.

Walmart is not always the property owner. Sometimes the rules are codified in the lease agreements, or a legal agreement with the city where the store is located. Similar to 'dry' counties, where alcohol sales are prohibited, any retailer is bound by the rules. If the local laws dictate that 'No Overnight Parking' signs must be installed, then they must be installed. If you ever drive by the receiving docks, you will see signs specifying that No Idle restrictions (for heavy trucks) are in place on Walmart property nationwide. This was an agreement reached with the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

And, local codes can be so strict in some areas, especially with residences in close proximity, that truck deliveries are not to be made after a certain time in the evening, (usually 9 or 10 PM) and sometimes the trucks are allowed just a small delivery window of say, no more than one hour at the dock at any time during the day. 

Just like labor laws and other codes retailers must follow. Even if they own the lot, (which by nature is open to public access) and in most cases they do, they can't just start selling, for example, fireworks if fireworks are not allowed, nor can they allow anything that is illegal. And federal, state, and local laws determine what is legal and what is illegal.
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The Walmart website states that Walmart supports and invites RVers as they are loyal customers.

It goes on and explains variances and offers links by state of the locations where it is not allowed.
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(09-25-2017, 10:59 PM)tx2sturgis Wrote: Walmart is not always the property owner. Sometimes the rules are codified in the lease agreements, or a legal agreement with the city where the store is located. Similar to 'dry' counties, where alcohol sales are prohibited, any retailer is bound by the rules. If the local laws dictate that 'No Overnight Parking' signs must be installed, then they must be installed. If you ever drive by the receiving docks, you will see signs specifying that No Idle restrictions (for heavy trucks) are in place on Walmart property nationwide. This was an agreement reached with the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Thanks tx2sturgis for clarifying that. I had no clue. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse". 90 days son!
 
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(09-25-2017, 10:06 PM)blmkid Wrote: Is the Walmart parking lot not owned by Walmart, which makes it private property? 


This is actually interesting: many Walmart lots are NOT owned by Walmart. Walmart leases the property, which means that legally they cannot give permission to park there overnight. That is why many Walmart stores "officially" have "no parking" signs, but won't stop you from parking there anyway. It is also why "asking permission beforehand" is pointless in so many stores.

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(09-25-2017, 10:59 PM)tx2sturgis Wrote: In most communities, the parking lot regulations (signage height and appearance, handicap access, striping, fire hydrants, slope, drainage, curbs, trees, etc) for any retail establishment are defined by the city or county zoning department, and/or the property owner or developer.

Yeah, CO SPRINGS has a city ordinance that prohibits it.  There are NO signs where I'm staying now, so I'm pretty sure I'm outside the city limits.  

OTOH, the other Walmarts have RV's all over the place. As well as "no overnight parking" signs.  So, apparently it's up to the local popo to enforce.  And they seem to not bother.
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(09-26-2017, 07:49 AM)lenny flank Wrote:  It is also why "asking permission beforehand" is pointless in so many stores.

In 20+ years I have only asked once. And that was because there were no other trucks/campers/vans/RVs in the lot when I got there.

If there are more than say, 2 or 3 'overnighters' parked in the lot, its pretty obvious you can park there too.
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(09-25-2017, 10:06 PM)blmkid Wrote: Is the local government not over reaching their authority, by making laws against private property owners for allowing overnight parking on their property?
We talking USA or about some foreign nation?

Munn v Illinois

Basically, precedent on public interest goes back well before there even was a United States, it's a really good case to read.

But, I agree with your sentiment, is there really sufficient public interest to bring it to the level of government intervention?
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You would be amazed how important "property values" are to US voters.
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THE main purpose of government in the first place is the protection of private property.
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(10-11-2017, 05:29 AM)RoamingKat Wrote: THE main purpose of government in the first place is the protection of private property.

Someone should let them know....

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