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Public Land Fees Being Raised?
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I got this by email [a CredoAction petition against fee increases].


I guess these are the details: https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/10-24-2017...oposal.htm.

Would this affect anyone boondocking?
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It would only affect boondocking in National Parks. Otherwise, no.


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The NPS needs the funding. We should be all for this.
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Campground fees are not included in this proposed increase AFAIK.

It only affects those that don't buy an annual national parks pass and prefer to buy a single time use pass at the gate of a specific National Park.

In some ways I actually can see it being beneficial for people. If the fee for getting in to a National Park is $70.00 and only good for that park for a specific amount of time (Grand Canyon pass is for 4 or 5 days for example), and the annual pass is $80.00 and gives you a whole years pass for gate fees for ALL National Parks, then more people will be more inclined to see more of those parks. 

Boondocking or dispersed camping is not allowed in National Parks, only in National Forests, BLM land etc. which are not affected by the proposed increase.
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Most of the popular national parks I'm familiar with don't allow boondocking anyway. They would be raising fees at only 17 parks, and only during a 5-month peak season. I think that sounds pretty good to me. Off seasons and other parks would still be available at the current prices. And if I understand it correctly, the current $80 annual pass would be unchanged. Kinda makes it a no -brainer to buy the annual pass, even more so than now. 

Some selected quotes from the link posted above:

Quote:"Under the proposal, peak-season entrance fees would be established at 17 national parks. The peak season for each park would be defined as its busiest contiguous five-month period of visitation."

"The proposed new fee structure would be implemented at Arches, Bryce Canyon, Canyonlands, Denali, Glacier, Grand Canyon, Grand Teton, Olympic, Sequoia & Kings Canyon, Yellowstone, Yosemite, and Zion National Parks with peak season starting on May 1, 2018; in Acadia, Mount Rainier, Rocky Mountain, and Shenandoah National Parks with peak season starting on June 1, 2018; and in Joshua Tree National Park as soon as practicable in 2018."

"During the peak season at each park, the entrance fee would be $70 per private, non-commercial vehicle, $50 per motorcycle, and $30 per person on bike or foot. A park-specific annual pass for any of the 17 parks would be available for $75."

"The cost of the annual America the Beautiful- The National Parks and Federal Recreational Lands Pass, which provides entrance to all federal lands, including parks for a one-year period, would remain $80. Entrance fees are not charged to visitors under 16 years of age or holders of Senior, Military, Access, Volunteer, or Every Kid in a Park (EKIP) passes. The majority of national parks will remain free to enter; only 118 of 417 park sites charge an entrance fee, and the current proposal only raises fees at 17 fee-charging parks."

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Van-Tramp (10-27-2017)
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(10-27-2017, 02:46 PM)Van-Tramp Wrote: The NPS needs the funding. We should be all for this.

I'm all for the funding; ... BUT it's my understanding that the system for income generated already puts the money into a general fund that gets divvied up between the NPS and several other agencies so my "problem" with an increase is, more money coming in for them but potentially not much more money getting directed toward the NPS ... (and that's as political as I want to get today)
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One more quote from that link:


Quote:"If implemented, estimates suggest that the peak-season price structure could increase national park revenue by $70 million per year. That is a 34 percent increase over the $200 million collected in Fiscal Year 2016. Under the Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act, 80% of an entrance fee remains in the park where it is collected. The other 20% is spent on projects in other national parks."

I can't speak to what's happening with the current funding. But it sounds like this additional funding, if approved, will stay within the parks.

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The question then is:

Where/how does the money that comes in from annual park pass purchases get distributed?
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as far as I know Death Valley still allows boondocking. as for the raising of the fees I am biting my tongue on that one. highdesertranger
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UptownSport (10-27-2017)
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Sadly the National Parks fees are high enough already they just don't collect them because they don't have the money budgeted to hire the people to collect them. Most gates are not manned 24 hours a day and the government contracted self service machines seldom work and are based on the honor system, in fact with no one at the gate passes are almost never checked as the LEs are also short staffed or not encouraged to use their time checking passes when they could be giving higher priced tickets for more serious offences.
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