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Responsible Canine Camping
My dog likes other dogs, as long as I am nowhere around, but if I’m around he does not want other dogs near me. He doesn’t like some humans either, and he has on more than one occasion kept me safe. I’ve been training him for a few months and when it’s necessary he minds perfectly. He is always on a leash, even in my portable fencing area. My greatest concern is about unleashed dogs, and I will always do everything in my power to keep him safe, just as he does for me. I don’t want to have to have to take action against someone else’s beloved pet, but I wouldn’t hesitate. I hope people heed your advice and leash their dogs.
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My dog's usually pick up spot about 50 yards away from camp and they keep going to that same spot every time but dogs are dogs and want to mark where other dogs have gone

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(12-12-2017, 10:44 AM)geogentry Wrote: I am sorry to say you are incorrect.  

Though they both contain the same active ingredient — oleoresin capsicum, bear spray contains a much lower concentration. A typical pepper spray used for self defense will have an oleoresin capsicum (OC) concentration of about 10% or higher. A typical bear spray has a oleoresin concentration of about 1 – 2 %.

I do understand your affection for your dog.  I like dogs.  That is probably why I have four of them.  Two of them are aggresive - one is VERY aggressive.  It just would not be possible for me to camp clumped with other people.  Besides I am the type of person that needs space.  So if a dog came into my camp it would have to have come from some distance.  If your dog wandered into my camp at least one of my dogs would attack it.  Shrug - I am sure your dog would never wander into my camp so of course it would not need a quick shot of liquid ghost chili peppers.

Being the kind of person who has done many stupid things in my life , I tested the bear spray while I was hiking in the woods.  I quite stupidly did NOT check the wind direction.  DUH!  I almost had an asthma attack and experienced painful breathing for hours.  Later, while crawling over some rocks, I broke the top on the bottle and most of it poured out on my legs.  One of the most painful things I've ever felt, and I've had a vasectomy with only a local anesthetic.  
Perhaps it's not lethal; but I guarantee it's very painful.  

I stand by what I say.  Do NOT spray my dog.  

Part of the reason I camp so far away from others is that Lacy is deaf, and I am not going to put her in a kennel or crate unless there's a really good reason.  She's very friendly, so again, I can't imagine what problem someone would have.  

I don't just have affection for my dog, I love her like she's one of my family.  In fact, she IS one of my family.  Like a log of dog-lovers, I like most dogs a lot more than almost all people.  My dog, like my child.  
So consider, if you were to shoot pepper spray or bear spray at my dog because she annoyed you, you and me are now at odds.
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I understand just please be careful I had a German Shepherd about bite my wrist off when I was trying to stop it from attacking one of my dogs that was least two my car. Unfortunately it got away and no owner was found so I was stuck with a lot of Dr bills

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The Bears spray, to funny a friend of mine accidentally sprayed group of us just taking the pain out needless to say we cut are trip short. your right very painful rather slam my toe the rock.

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(12-12-2017, 11:52 AM)tx2sturgis Wrote: If you have aggressive dogs, may I suggest/request that if you see other campers within say, 500 feet of you, would you consider hanging up a bright 'Beware of Dog' sign somewhere that is visible to people approaching your area?

It might be a way for those of us boondocking out in the sticks, to communicate with others to use caution and keep our distance if we are walking a small dog who is vulnerable.

(just a request)


A fair request.
If any of my dogs are outside where they might be able to be aggressive to anything they are on a leash.  Just a habit of mine from camping in state and federal campsite for the last 40 years.  The posted rule "All dogs must be on a leash"  a body just gets into the habit of putting a leash on the dog automatically. I Know not all people do this or this thread wouldn't be here.

“Lo, I would wander far away, I would lodge in the peace of the wilderness."
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No my dogs are not aggressive they do like to bark and let me know when people are around that's why I camp far enough away that they don't bother anybody they might run up to you but all they want is attention if somebody was to come to my Camp I would put them on a leash or put them in the car until I knew everything was going to be okay between them and my dogs. I have not had problems with other people can't been around me in the past just like any other animal they need to get to know the person. Most people that go there own way after camping with me usually say they're going to miss the dogs more than me LOL.

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In our camp there are three male dogs that have been allowed to roam. One is not aggressive but can and has doused portable solar panels high enough that you know it isn't the smaller ones. The second and subject of this post does not act aggressive as long as it is allowed to pee and poop where ever. The third is a yorkie that is excessively aggressive towards Max, so I keep Max away from him. That has been hard because if it is out and about I have to keep Max in the trailer and Max is almost always leashed and in the rare instance I allow him to play with other dogs off leash, I am always right there to attend to him. It would mortify me if he peed on someones stuff or pooped in their site.

In each case the owners are too lazy to attend to their dog. The yorkie was let out each morning and it came right to mine, peed on everything including the cookers, stove, cooler, table, chairs and the box holding the plates, silverware and napkins we used for the pot lucks. Then it would take a crap and head home. Would it pee on everything in their site? Hell no, they would smack it if it peed on their stuff. I also heard excuses why his aggressive behavior was okay but in the end was told he does it because he wants to play. Luckily I had picked up Max because the dog jumped up and snapped at him hard enough that it caught his leash and hung by it. At that point it was determined that he didn't want to play.

So what is it like? It is like living with a thief. You know that everything has to be put away or get pissed on. It means walking around looking down so that you do not step in another dogs poop. It means worrying about your pet being attacked even though it is on a leash. Not fun.

So for those that think it is horrible if I protect Max by any means possible, how would you protect your dog, your baby, your family? At what point do you decide it is not okay for your pet to be injured? Do you look at all of your stuff covered in pee and think that the dog had a good time doing it so it is okay?

I see how people would protect their pet is in question but in that case the offending owner was politely asked to not let their aggressive dog off leash around the other persons pet. The response was don't tell me what to do. To which the threat of having to protect their pet with less than deadly force was mentioned. Was it taken as a chance to not put the aggressive dog into a situation where it was a threat to others or in turn itself? Not a chance. It was how dare you threaten my dog. Then again I found the owners personality much the same. I will do anything I want, just do not do it to me.

There is a reason some camp alone so they can do as they please without bothering others. There is a reason people like me build their rigs to go where others are not likely to follow. I do not get to help many like that but if that is what it takes to keep my puppy safe and my stuff pee free, so be it.

In the end it is about the golden rule folks. Treat others as you wish to be treated and a lot of problems go away.
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First: Take a deep breath and calm down.

Secondly:  I am not a Billy the Kid with a 6 pack of CS strapped on my hip ready to draw down in a flash.

For most people, there are always people who are exceptions, there are a couple steps
  Tell the dog to go home.  Dogs are not stupid, they know when they are on untested territory  
  Make some noise - yelling, whatever
  Make some noise, flap the arms while yelling
     [yes I know the noise would not work with your Lacy but the waving and flapping of the arms would - again dogs are not stupid and really don't like crazy                looking humans]
  Move slowly towards the dog making shooing motions  

Now I have run into a dogs that get all excited and run up to me wiggling- I am never sure if the dog is wagging the tail or the tail is wagging the dog. - expecting to be petted.  Ya pet the dog and walk it back in the direction it came from and at some distance from the camp you just point  away from where you came from.  Not stupid - they get the idea.

And then pnolan you have that tiny percentage. They growl, then they bare the teeth and hackles raise, then comes the crouch ready to lunge.  That would get a pepper spray on the ground in front of them.  You got vapor flashback - you know.  The only time a dog would get direct spray would be if they lunged.  Sorry if it is my ass or the dogs guess who wins.

So now that I have had to blah blah blah to explain myself - I hope you are calm.

“Lo, I would wander far away, I would lodge in the peace of the wilderness."
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I can't believe this is happening again. this happened last year right before RTR. everybody was arguing about what to do with trouble dogs. it went back and forth escalating into one big internet fight. people quit the forum over that thread last year and I have already received a request by someone to close their account over this thread. at RTR all dogs must be leashed. so I really don't understand where these roaming dogs are going to come from. so if a dog happens to be roaming we can deal with it when it happens. if a dog is acting aggressively then we have every right to protect ourselves and our pets. but we don't need to be arguing about a problem that does not exist yet. drop it here and now. one more threat either way will get the poster in trouble. highdesertranger
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