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The Rules of the Forum: February, 2014
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Vision Statement:

Hi, my name is Bob Wells and I’m the owner of the site and forum. I post as “akrvbob”. Let me tell you how this forum came into being. When I was living in my van in Anchorage, Alaska, I woke up one cold fall morning and there was a car parked next to me and through the frosted windows I could make out a mom and her two kids trying to sleep in it. My heart leaped out to her because I knew intimately the kind of despair she was feeling right then. At that moment cheaprvliving.com and this forum took root. It was many more years before it was born into the world and grew into what it is now but it still reaches back to the seed that was planted that day. This is my vision for us:

1) To teach people (especially people in need) how to be reasonably comfortable living in their car, van or RV.
2) To inspire others to follow their dreams and live mobile. We’re specifically oriented towards living cheaply and most often in vans, but all are welcome. Vandwelling is an attitude and not a choice of vehicle or residence.
3) To create a tribal community of like-minded people to support and care for each other.

Spirit of the Law:

Every post should somehow make members's lives better. We are here to be helpful, kind and supportive. If you need help, we want to hear from you. If you have help to offer, we want to hear from you. Sometimes we do that with technical or how-to information; sometimes we do that with a kind word, a good story or even a good laugh. But every post should make someones life better and easier.

If your posts make other members lives harder or unpleasant you are forcing the moderators to make a decision between the whole forum and you. Please understand, we will choose the forum every time!

Letter of the Law:

1) No political discussions. Half of us have opposite political opinions with the other half and we are not going to change each other minds. That means there is nothing to be accomplished by political discussions except anger and frustration and that does nothing to help anyone. Political posts will be deleted.

2) Don’t ever attack, belittle or denigrate anyone. If you have something bad to say about someone, keep it to yourself. This includes politicians, police officers and the homeless. You can hate them if you want, but you don’t get to spread your hate here.

3) Don’t judge other member’s posts or opinions. It’s perfectly fine to disagree or offer a counter point of view, but never in a negative way. An attitude of “I’m right and know more than you!” creates an unacceptable negative atmosphere. I’ve had people tell me they were afraid to post here because they were afraid someone would mock or belittle them. Any posts like that will be deleted.

4) Don’t be a know-it-all or dismissive of others. We’re family and we’re here to help and support each other. So before you hit the “Send” button, ask yourself if what you are writing is helpful and supportive or is it to make you feel better about yourself. Are you just trying to prove you’re smarter than everyone else and you’re right and their wrong? That turns into fighting and bickering over nothing and that makes this an unpleasant place for people who come here in need.

5) Don't waste space and be brief. Often people come here in desperate situations and they only have online access through a library computer or their cell phone. They need help, and they need it now, but if they find the forum full of wasted space, they can’t get to the information they desperately need. The majority of vandwellers have a limited amount of data each month and we don’t want to waste it.

Here are some ways you can help them:

* Don’t waste space with needless quotes. 1) Please don't quote the post directly above yours. After all, it's right there! 2) Please trim your quotes. Don't quote an entire post or even whole paragraphs to respond to a sentence or two. 3) Edit the quoted text down to only the point or points you need to provide context to your reply. 4) Please avoid including picture links from previous posts when quoting. Pictures are slow to load for many of our mobile users. 5) If you simply want to be clear about who you are responding to, use '@ username' at the beginning of your post instead of quoting.
* Don’t import large photos.
* Make your point as briefly as you can. Chances are that long meandering posts won’t get read anyway.

I'm glad you're here, together we can change peoples lives!
Bob
2015 GMC Savannah 2500 van, 480 watts of Solar Panels--and a wonderful furry best friend named Cody. I'm out to change the world!
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well, will give the new rules a shot, dont know if I'm the kind of person where every word coming out of my mouth (or off my computer) can be supportive and give warm fuzzies, guess I'll have some troubles there.

Another forum I am a member of has one simple rule, "DONT BE A JERK!" other than that skys the limit, want a political debate, fine as long as nobody becomes "a jerk" etc. I like how that works... just fyi

To the rest of the "New Rules"

Mom and her two kids living in her car asks what weapons she should carry to protect herself.

Correct Response: "Well I might recomend a gun, but then we'd have to talk about gun laws and those are political so we cant talk about guns"

Mom and her two kids living in a car says the city counsel passed a no overnight camping ordinance, almost every night since then the police have been ticketing and hasseling her in the middle of the night and trying to force her into a homless residency program or intimidate her into moving out of the city. She wonders if she should try and get an attorney or speak at a city counsel meeting.

Correct Response: "I'm sorry I cant talk about police, politicians, or homeless rights as those are all political issues."

Sometimes rules can prevent people from getting the help they need, if thats the case I would suggest having some predictable links you could offer people when a conflict between the stated rules and the desire to help others happens.

Last, what constitutes a "waste of space" is there a word or character count or is it just open to mod opinion?
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(02-14-2014, 01:09 AM)Blue Wrote: Mom and her two kids living in her car asks what weapons she should carry to protect herself.

Correct Response: "Well I might recomend a gun, but then we'd have to talk about gun laws and those are political so we cant talk about guns"

Not quite. My response would be something like:

Personally, I carry a 600 lumen tactical flashlight, a solid oak belaying pin and a Beretta 9mm. Other options include stun guns, tazers and chemical weapons like pepper spray/ bear spray.
That said, please check local laws before you decide on what to keep or carry. Here is a site listing laws for your state:
xyzlaws.com
and one for your county
xyzzlaws.com

Quote:Mom and her two kids living in a car says the city counsel passed a no overnight camping ordinance, almost every night since then the police have been ticketing and hasseling her in the middle of the night and trying to force her into a homless residency program or intimidate her into moving out of the city. She wonders if she should try and get an attorney or speak at a city counsel meeting.

Correct Response: "I'm sorry I cant talk about police, politicians, or homeless rights as those are all political issues."

My response would be to help her find local, legal parking at places like Wal-Mart, truck stops, campgrounds or the like and offer advice on stealth. Beyond that, a link to local resources who may help her if she wishes to challenge the law.

The rule is no political discussions. Stating that laws exist and providing links to said laws or other relevant information/ resources is fine.
It's really not that hard.
'It's not that I condone facism, or any ism for that matter. Isms, in my opinion, are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.'
-Ferris Bueller


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