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Meh, much ado about nothing.
(09-29-2014, 04:54 PM)mockturtle Wrote: [ -> ]But, Bob, not everyone who lives in a van or car needs or wants help and it's rather insulting to assume they do. JMHO.

Yes highly rude almost. Not just the van but also the hotel part and many other parts.
I read it and didn't care.
Saturday, I was volunteered as a bike mechanic for a local charity ride sponsored by the community aid association in town. Since my van doubles as a mobile mini bikeshop, made sense to bring it. Someone overheard me talking about sleeping in the van, and she came over after that conversation ended, speaking low, and asked if I needed assistance finding reasonable rent on an apt in the area or immediate help with lodging.

This made no sense for me until I realized who I was speaking with -- woman is one of the higher-ups in the community aid org and she obviously thought I was in need. I laughed it off and let her know that no, I did not need help that way, that I had many resources, and that I was sleeping in the van by choice, not out of necessity. Didn't seem to quite set her mind at ease, but she ambled off, looking for someone else to help...
I agree the organization is there to help and not attempting to insult people. Could they change a few words around so as not to inadvertently insult some? I think yes but they simply don't know their approach could insult some. I doubt if they even are aware that there is a substantial group that chooses to live in a van, car, or motorhome on a full time basis. Most people who hear you are living out of a car or van will automatically assume you are homeless and in great need of help.

There will always be instances where someone has written, said or done something that insults another group without realizing it. I remember, for example, when I was just a kid and we typically referred to anyone from China, Japan, S.E. asia, etc as an oriental. We had no idea whatsoever it was insulting to them until many years later when we were told about it. Maybe to those who are bothered by this organization's website should write a friendly e-mail to them letting them know and give them a chance to reword what is insulting.

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mconlox,
"This made no sense for me until I realized who I was speaking with -- woman is one of the higher-ups in the community aid org and she obviously thought I was in need. I laughed it off and let her know that no, I did not need help that way, that I had many resources, and that I was sleeping in the van by choice, not out of necessity. Didn't seem to quite set her mind at ease, but she ambled off, looking for someone else to help... "

The next logical step for some of these people is that you also have mental issues because you obviously dont know what you are doing.
My 2 cents worth~~~ Please do not remove as political this time!

As someone trained in communication, I see a great lack of diplomacy in the wording of the original subject. I do not know if political correctness has dumbed down society or is people are really that out of touch with how others think. People do not think alike!

Bob, by having this website, has done more to combat the problems of living off the grid and non traditionally than the entire government. (Not blaming any administration.) Let people know the options, possibilities, solutions in a realistic way. Do not be patronizing or feel sorry for my life choices and problems.

The current problem that I see is one that all dwellers must face every day. How others perceive us in a world that values consumerism and consumption over being free and able to move on with minimal preparation. If I want to sit for two weeks and watch the grass grow, it is my prerogative.

I have a "free spirit" friend who was aghast at the fact that I do not have an end date for my walkabout. The former hippy chick is stuck in her stock owning material world.
Quote:The next logical step for some of these people is that you also have mental issues because you obviously dont know what you are doing.

Very likely! And, of course, we know that very little is being done to help those with actual mental illnesses. Sad
I wear a lot of black and dark blue, because I like how I look in those colors. I have had folks I know offer to buy me clothes because I wear the same thing every day. I was not offended because I'm not looking to be offended. How people view me is important, to them. It gives me a chance to make a connection, to open a path to understanding. To share my approach to my life. I try not to look down on what others do if they mean well, but to try to understand and in turn help them understand why my life is so much different from their's. Most importantly to help them understand why my choices aren't a threat to theirs. I really think some appreciate that we are out there, even if they can't be. Viva la differance!
Owl wrote:
I try not to look down on what others do if they mean well, but to try to understand and in turn help them understand why my life is so much different from their's.
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I think Owl really got to the heart of the issue, if someone really intends something for my good out of honest compassion, I should celebrate that attitude and not hate them for it.

I can already hear what you are going to say, "But I don't want their help!!" No problem, just don't go to their Rescue Mission!

Try to see it from their point of view, every day they see hundreds of homeless people who are either mentally unable to get out of being homeless or desperately want to get out of being homeless but can't. All their experience is that being Homeless is bad and to be avoided.

They share that view with 99% of America, are we going to hate and insult all of them? Or should we do what Owl said and try to have understanding and open a dialogue?

On the other hand, nearly all of us our experience the "homeless" which are vandwellers, as being very happy with their lives.

I can promise you this, we vandwellers are a teeney tiny percentage of all Homeless. As a percentage, the view of the Rescue Mission is much more accurate than ours.

Neither of us are wrong, or evil, we just live in different worlds.
Bob
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