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I'm about to be 24, still living at home. Car's broken down for the third time and I'm fed up with it. I don't want to spend money getting it looked at only to find out it's going to cost more than it's worth to repair. Would rather just sell it as-is and put that money toward a loan down-payment. I found the perfect class C with a new engine (only 2k miles) that gets 15 mpg at a very reasonable price. I can afford a 20% auto loan down-payment but might have problems getting it as I don't have proof of income, just a spreadsheet showing what I make on ebay. My dad's trying to tell me I should just get the car repaired and drive that, get a job, make payements on a condo, etc. Everything you'd expect. "How are you going to make a living from an RV" "You have to do something with your life" "You can't live in an RV for your entire life" "What are you going to do when it needs repairs" and everything you'd expect. I know for a fact I can make enough to sustain my life in an RV between ebay and other online work. I plan to spend a lot of time at a large state park, and I can alternate between sleeping there and a nearby walmart if need be. I can fill up on fresh and probably even dump my black there. It's a large park, with multiple sleeping spots that I can alternate between in order to avoid looking suspicious, and even if I am confronted, I don't think it'll be too big of a deal as I used to work there. This is something I've been thinking about for months and never have I felt like I had a clearer plan. Prior to this, the thought of slaving away to afford rent and all the rest made me miserable. I didn't bother thinking about the future because I felt trapped. All I need are the basic utilities an RV provides and internet access. While I'm making money on ebay/the internet, I plan to further develop my JAVA programming skills. I've made a couple of dead simple games for Android and would like to continue in that direction. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to establish a revenue stream through that, reducing the work I need to do sourcing inventory for ebay. I also have a blog on handheld video games, which has a patreon associatd with it, which brings $15/mo at the moment and will probably continue to grow, albeit slowly. Whenever I've had "real" jobs, I've been the mots miserable. I wasted money on things I didn't need to combat the dull grind and wasted my free time. Now that I've been working on means of self-employment, I value every dollar, and spend very little on things that aren't absolutely necessary.

My computer was blocked from the router today so I'm typing this from the family Nintendo Wii. I feel like I'm being strongarmed into giving this goal up because they see it as ME giving up but that couldn't be further from the truth. If I had 30k in the bank I'd still choose this route. I just wish I'd known it was an option sooner. /rant
You know what? You are 24 years old and to me that makes you a man. A man capable of making his own choices. Yes 24 is on the young side, but you are not 15. You've worked the 'grind' jobs to know they suck and they are not the path you choose. Its your life and your set of choices to make. Another perspective is that since you are young, if you proceed this way and everything goes to the crapper, as your father implies it will, you can always just start over again having gained some invaluable wisdom in the process. Many of life's lessons cannot be taught, they have to be experienced for oneself.

Now personally, I would go Class B rather than Class C (cheaper on gas, less conspicuous) but thats just my opinion. The only thing that I would strongly suggest is to invest in some sort of education or trade that you can always rely on. Once you have that knowledge, such as a skilled trade (mechanic, electrician, machinist) nobody can take that away from you. You can either build upon it and pursue it wholly or just fallback on it if your internet business style plans fall thru. Personally, I would not choose to plan 100% of my income off internet based revenue for the rest of my life. Having some sort of recognized credentials such as a skilled trade, accountant etc would give you more peace of mind.

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in pursuing your dreams. Think things thru and make a plan to move out of your parents house and onto the path of your choosing. If you think things thru carefully and thoroughly you will be successful.
Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. Living in a RV can be great but go in blind or unprepared and it will suck. You need to do research into RV's, their cost and up keep plus a realistic budget to support the life style. You may not want to see it but there is a lot of brutal downsides and cost both here and on RV forums. The first thing is it's not cheap, second is class C's don't get 15 MPG, third is they break down, just plan on it. Once you have an answer to all of the what if questions, you are ready to go.
Another thing is that you need to have $2000 to $3000 minimum saved up that you dont ever touch as emergency funds. If your van/rv gets stolen, crashed, fire you are screwed without emergency money. That money brings peace of mind because no matter what may happen, you are prepared.
(01-31-2015, 01:46 AM)jimindenver Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. Living in a RV can be great but go in blind or unprepared and it will suck. You need to do research into RV's, their cost and up keep plus a realistic budget to support the life style. You may not want to see it but there is a lot of brutal downsides and cost both here and on RV forums. The first thing is it's not cheap, second is class C's don't get 15 MPG, third is they break down, just plan on it. Once you have an answer to all of the what if questions, you are ready to go.

This particular C has had most of its guts replaced. It's got a new engine with 2K miles on it so that's probably why it gets what it does. It's a 22 footer, and has a more aerodynamic form factor that most Cs. Seller says he's put around 10k into restoring it but has grown tired of the project. Says it's mechanically sound and all it needs are some inconsequential things like light fixtures. I'd post the name but I'm afraid someone might snatch it up before I do xD.

If it breaks down, I have AAA and can be towed home, which won't be far (gonna stick close for the time being, learning to fly and all). Solar panels will take care of most of my energy requirements. Propane should last a while as I only plan to use it for the stove/oven. Heat will be an electric space heater. I drink nothing but water 90% of the time, which is free. I'm not too worried about expenses. $500/mo seems like a reasonable estimate which I'm confident I can make, and while I don't have 2k in cash reserves, I do have around $1500 worth of inventory. I'm not at the ideal starting situation, but I really don't have a choice seeing as my car's junk. I can't afford to put money into it and I have no intention of buying another one only to sell it later for an RV. Might as well do it now and take the challenges as they come.
Ah, I see my age is mentioned in there! Tongue
Quote from above (You know what? You are 24 years old and to me that makes you a man.)
True words. Sink or swim it's time to leave the nest. I will speak up for your parents though.
You need to be grateful they care and want you to be successful and safe. I'm grateful to the people in my life that are worried about me and I'm 61 years old. This is a hard concept for most people, living minimally and in our society and you, we, pretty much look like failures. Figure out how to make your plans and make it so.
I don't want to quash your dreams but the fact that you wrote "I'm about to be 24, still living at home" leads me to believe that you have never been out on your own, taking responsibility for your own expenses, so I can understand your parent's concern. You'll have a much better chance of succeeding if you build up a reserve fund. My advice is buy the RV and use it as your daily driver. It's small enough for that. Stay at home as you fix it to suit you. If possible live in it in your parent's driveway. Do not use anything from the house. This will give you a good idea of expenses and what it takes to actually live in a RV. For instance you will not be able to use an electric space heater if you're using solar as your only source of electricity.

Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
Well, (in MY opinion), I'd suggest that you fix the car.

a.) you'll have a decent running reliable vehicle

b.) you can sell it for ALOT more than if it's broke down and not running properly. ($$$ towards your van/RV)


and for a reality check...older motorhomes will NOT get 15mpg's! I've been around them for a long tyme and have yet to see one...ever!
A newer one with an aerodynamic shape and FI may get near that, but that's nothing your bank account can handle.

oh, and on the bank account...forget about getting a loan for this.
A banker will want a proven source of income, some sort of collateral, and maybe even a co-signer (seeing that you probably do not have a credit history.)

Sorry brother...just the truth of it. (I'm not one to feed you BS)

I'd say fix the car, save money in the meantime, and once the car is squared away, then sell it and use the money to buy a van (for cash). You'll have fun fixing it up to what you want, you'll have something you can drive everyday without hassle, and you'll be money ahead. (sorry, but class B's are too spendy as well.)

I'd also suggest getting a part tyme job of some sort. You need to show yourself and others that you can handle responsibilities. (think outside the box...it doesn't have to be Mc D's)
(01-31-2015, 02:30 AM)K1ngN0thing Wrote: [ -> ]This particular C has had most of its guts replaced. It's got a new engine with 2K miles on it so that's probably why it gets what it does. It's a 22 footer, and has a more aerodynamic form factor that most Cs. Seller says he's put around 10k into restoring it but has grown tired of the project. Says it's mechanically sound and all it needs are some inconsequential things like light fixtures. I'd post the name but I'm afraid someone might snatch it up before I do xD.

If it breaks down, I have AAA and can be towed home, which won't be far (gonna stick close for the time being, learning to fly and all). Solar panels will take care of most of my energy requirements. Propane should last a while as I only plan to use it for the stove/oven. Heat will be an electric space heater. I drink nothing but water 90% of the time, which is free. I'm not too worried about expenses. $500/mo seems like a reasonable estimate which I'm confident I can make, and while I don't have 2k in cash reserves, I do have around $1500 worth of inventory. I'm not at the ideal starting situation, but I really don't have a choice seeing as my car's junk. I can't afford to put money into it and I have no intention of buying another one only to sell it later for an RV. Might as well do it now and take the challenges as they come.

What is wrong with the car if I may ask?

It seems that if the RV broke down, you could get it towed back home and be in the same situation as you are now. You have $1500 in inventory but you need much of what it sells for to purchase new inventory to sell. Solar is neat when the sun shines but to have a big enough system can be pricy. 200w is a starting point along with 200 Ah of battery and that's good for the RV's needs and some play if you are lucky. certainly nothing like a space heater. Even if you did have the panel and batteries, the inverter big enough cost the bucks. So now you need to know the workings of a RV and understand solar.

How much do you currently pay for at home? Rent, food, utilities, insurance, AAA, gas money all has to be accounted for.  Blow a tire and you sit if you can't get another so you had better make sure the AAA is the type that handles RV's. Ours runs $250 a year.  You might want to check on any limitations in the state park and that parking at your Walmarts is allowed, water is free most of the time but dumping can cost you money.

Now you may feel like this will be freeing and in some senses it will be, well until you find out nothing takes the shine off like being poor.  Wait until you need to chose between buying gas or food and always scrambling to just survive. I know, I've been self employed most of my life and have been there many times. I started this company and held a full time job until it was proven to support us. Even then it we were not doing "well" for at least 5 maybe 10 years. We keep a fair amount of money set aside for those times and weigh every purchase carefully. We know that even after 30 years, it could easily fall apart tomorrow.

I'm not trying to pop your balloon, just get you to see things from all sides. It's how an adult does things in life before they take action unless forced to. I would have loved it if someone had sat me down in the beginning and said now look, this is what your are going to be dealing with and how to fix it. My folks tried but you know how that is right, the thing is all these years later I see that they were right all along.

In the end at 24 you are not learning to fly, you have been flying with a safety net. Get yourself set up to live like you don't have it before you leave and the likelihood that you will be back there will be greatly reduced. It will take more planning, saving and what not, but it will be worth the effort in the long run.
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