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From The New York Times:

As Homeless Find Refuge in Forests, ‘Anger Is Palpable’ in Nearby Towns

A growing homeless population on public lands has brought with it increases in emergency calls, drug overdoses, illegal fires and trash, which have put nearby residents on edge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/us/as-...wrsm=Email
I was scouting an area, I won't disclose where other than to say Flagstaff area. It was unfortunately inhabited by campsites I wouldn't care to mess with, even if I was a Leo. I suspect the sites talked about in the article are close to big towns as opposed to being a few miles down difficultly to access roads.
I hate to read stories like this of course. When new laws and restrictions are enacted , the neat careful law abiding people get caught up in the melee. I hope I can continue this lifestyle for years to come.

By the way, I remember when I was in grade school, one or two bad kids could be the cause of punishment for the rest of the good kids in class. I don't think things have changed at all.

Dragonfly
Well that was an incredibly balanced and unbiased article. Glad they did some in depth reporting there.
Reminds me of Hobo camps of the 30's. There are still tin cans laying about from those. Not everyone living in a vehicle has an honest income, or even wants one. The general public will always judge the many by the few. If someone gets ripped off and there was a strange van camped nearby, guess who gets the blame? And the next van that shows up is automatically suspect of anything that happens. Better hope somebody's kid doesn't run away from home while you are there. Means and opportunity has more weight than someone's word.

Recently on this forum there was a person who wanted to know how to make easy money. They didn't want to reduce their spending, and they said they hated working. For over 20 pages people gave them advice. All of it was discounted and rejected. I think they were looking for instructions on how to run some sort of scam. They may have gotten it too, (in PM's). Another group that were known travelers and never trusted were the gypsies.
That is why I kept everything spotless, and my clothes clean.

When I was told by a ranger I was on State Land in AZ and had to move, I was able to talk my way into an open ended stay, as I was rebuilding my motor.  I had my oil and fluids in jugs.  I was polite and cooperative.  

Unlike the site down the road that was a huge pile of trash with barking dogs.
There will always be parasites who refuse to make their own way.Big difference in these folks and the hobos of the dust bowl days.The hobos were looking for jobs.
Just so.  Hobos were looking for work.  Tramps would only work when forced to.  Bums would never work at all.
I read the article and I am now much more apprehensive about trying to do any long term camping in the BLMs or forests now. I would be concerned of the type of people that could be lurking and up to no good and at the same time worried that law enforcement would be harassing me also.

And it doesn't matter how good I would be as far as keeping in line and cleaning up, I would still be judged by the authorities as a vagrant as well. They see everyone in a negative knee-jerk way now.

The authorities can't understand why there are starting to be more people becoming homeless and in trouble. As a serious question, could a portion of these people be some of the ones that strike out to find a simpler and carefree way of life and simply fail because of lack of money and poor planning? And then have nowhere to go back to because they have quit their jobs and sold every thing they owned including their house and or given up their apt or place to stay in society?

I am not trying to be sarcastic here but I have often wondered how many have tried the carefree life and come up short for one reason or another and found themselves in trouble with no money or place to stay? I do wonder about them and hope that it is not wide spread.

I myself have made somewhat start out attempts to cut the cord from society and go live in a vehicle or whatever to be happier just to see what it would be like and if I could succeed. I failed in all those attempts. Sad But........I didn't cut my ties or burn my bridges. I was testing the waters. It wasn't easy for me and articles like the one linked in this thread makes me even more cautious.
(08-22-2016, 01:42 PM)dragonflyinthesky Wrote: [ -> ]I suspect the sites talked about in the article are close to big towns as opposed to being a few miles down difficultly to access roads. 
According to the article..... "And as officers deal with more emergency calls, drug overdoses, illegal fires and trash piles deep in the woods"
So many of them are going back a lot further than the fringes. They are trying not to be discovered so they go back miles in the woods and mountains.

Just be cautious of your surroundings and maybe travel with others you know.
(08-22-2016, 07:28 PM)Stevesway Wrote: [ -> ]I read the article and I am now much more apprehensive about trying to do any long term camping in the BLMs or forests now. I would be concerned of the type of people that could be lurking and up to no good and at the same time worried that law enforcement would be harassing me also.

And it doesn't matter how good I would be as far as keeping in line and cleaning up, I would still be judged by the authorities as a vagrant as well. They see everyone in a negative knee-jerk way now.

Don't let the hype scare you away.  Certainly not all law enforcement feels this way about people.  And keeping yourself and your vehicle clean goes a long way.  Plus no one needs to know you're living in a van and dropping out of society.  Lots of people will frown on someone that lives in their van, this is true........ but very few will frown on someone on a six month cross country vacation. in fact most will be envious.  Let people (law enforcement) think you're a tourist when the situation calls for it if it makes you more comfortable.  

I've camped all over in State forests, town forests, BLM land, etc......running into shady people is rare.  If you end up in a place with a bunch of them it's as simple as driving on down the road to another spot. I camped around a bunch of homeless when I was in Hawaii and even they were pretty pleasant for the most part.  I'd buy fruit off one of them every day and he'd watch my stuff for me when I wasn't there.  Well worth the $5 a day in that instance and I had fresh fruit!
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