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Hi, Everyone. It's been a while, I know. Life happens and all that Smile

The Internet is full of sites with data and chances are I've scoured many of them. Their utility varies a lot so I'm going to take a different approach. Instead of more data [overload], I'm looking for recommendations based on your personal experience of a place.

I'm looking for someplace to boondock and/or stealth camp for June, July, and August.

Things that matter most to me, in no particular order:

1. Air quality -- ozone and particulate matter are bad for us (much worse than many people realize) and I prefer, whenever possible, to dwell in better, rather than worse, conditions.

2. Weather comfort -- Temperature wise, I'm most comfortable at a maximum of 72-73. An occasional variation higher -- and I do mean infrequent -- would be ok if there was plenty of shade and/or a decent breeze to offset the increase in warmth.

3. Altitude -- I've had altitude illness twice now: once in Flagstaff, AZ and once in Timberon, NM. It seems that I'm ok up to around 6k feet above sea level. Higher, and I start to experience symptoms. Flagstaff was mild and simply driving to a lower elevation brought relief. My experience in Timberon was much worse and I ended up in the hospital where it was confirmed that my oxygen levels were low and not recovering typically. All that to say that a maximum of 5k-ish feet above sea level is my limit.

4. Safety -- I know, this is a personal value assessment. Use your criteria as a baseline for your recommendations and if I have questions, I'll ask for clarification (or, if you're feeling chatty, feel free to elaborate in advance).

5. Peaceful -- I enjoy going to sleep when I'm tired, and waking up naturally when I'm refreshed. The noises in nature, so far, haven't been problematic for me but the noise of civilization really gets to me. Loud music, loud people, sirens, horns, etc., are deal breakers.

6. Convenient access to civilization -- I sometimes wrestle with anxiety. Sometimes I win, sometimes I don't. For those times when anxiety is getting the best of me, having a reasonably nearby hospital parking lot to sit in for an hour or two until the panic-mode subsides can be game-changing for me. As such, I suppose I'd like to be within an hour's drive of a hospital just in case.

7. Convenient access to legal recreational cannabis -- After many years playing the role of 'lab rat' for various psychiatric 'cocktails', with very little stability/success, a medical professional suggested I consider medical marijuana. It took me about a year to get over the stigma of being mischaracterized as someone who was making excuses just to get high, at which point I applied for medical use in New Mexico. I was approved and the first time I walked into a dispensary, it was the beginning of one of the most useful and fascinating educational experiences of my life. After a year of occasional use (by which I mean, only 4 visits to the dispensary, and using only once or twice a month as needed), I let my card expire because I intended to travel out of state and the card is only good in New Mexico.

I'm not fond of the East Coast so the recreationally legal states of Massachusetts and Maine aren't high on my list of possibilities. That leaves Colorado, Nevada, California, Oregon, and Washington state as possible locations where legal access is available. (This is significantly restricted for non-resident use as the places where one may imbibe are generally limited, as far as I know, to one's personal residence -- and, one's vehicle isn't generally regarded as qualifying as one's residence so... just a nuance to consider).

If this point (#7) can be satisfied, then the previous point (#6) is likely nullified. If #7 can't be satisfied, then #6 becomes a higher priority.

8. Cost of living -- I'm slowly transitioning to more raw food in my diet so that, rather than meat, eggs, milk, etc., I'm more interested in fuits & veggies. The other big expense category is gasoline: less expensive is better than more expensive.

So, that's it. I'm not asking you to do research for me. I'm literally overwhelmed by data at this point. If you've been someplace that satisfies many/most of my criteria, I'd love to hear from you!

Thanks in advance Smile
Except for the marijuana requirement, I would say that Michigan’s Upper Peninsula could be an option if you stayed near the larger cities. Marquette is fairly centrally located and has a hospital but there are other cities with hospitals too such as Sault Ste Marie and St Ignace in the East and Houghton and Ironwood in the West. Michigan does have legal medical marijuana and as I understand it reciprocal agreements with other states but as of yet, no provisions for recreational use. A google search only shows one dispensary though and it is all the way up in Houghton. One nice thing about the UP is that you can boondock in state forests for free and I am pretty sure the same is true with the national forests and there is a LOT of state and national forests in the UP.
Your answer is most likely Oregon. I just left Klamath Falls Oregon and it was very nice, there a numerous places on freecampsites.net to stay at in Oregon. You should be able to chase 70 degree weather between the coast and mountains. When the mountains get too warm head towards the coast and you will not have altitude problems.

Marijuana is legal, there are many good hospitals. I would also recommend the Brookings Oregon area.


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I was going to say get above 7k. so now I say go north and get along the coast or above 5k. Oregon is probably your best bet however gas is not the cheapest. highdesertranger
(05-22-2017, 12:55 PM)slynne Wrote: [ -> ]... Michigan’s Upper Peninsula could be an option if you stayed near the larger cities. ...

Thanks for your reply, Slynne. Seems a good fit re: temperature.

(05-22-2017, 12:55 PM)slynne Wrote: [ -> ]... One nice thing about the UP is that you can boondock in state forests for free ...

Sounds promising.

What can you tell me about black flies in the upper peninsula? From what I've read, they make summers there intolerable. Thoughts?
(05-22-2017, 05:44 PM)Blanch Wrote: [ -> ]Your answer is most likely Oregon. ... You should be able to chase 70 degree weather between the coast and mountains.

Hi, Blanch. Yes, Oregon is definitely a candidate area on the basis of temperature. Not only Oregon, but also Washington's coast, particularly near Bellingham, was on my short list of preferred places to spend the summer.

That said, during my research I found a sobering article from the July 2015's "The New Yorker" magazine. It's a lengthy piece exploring the seismic risk to Washington's and Oregon's coastline. That risk comes from a fault known as the Cascadia subduction zone, and it poses far more significant risk than the San Andreas ever has, or is projected to have, on California.

It's not at all a fear-mongering piece. In fact, the following year its author won the Pulitzer Prize and a National Magazine Award for feature writing. I consider it a fine example of journalism and very relevant to any plans one may entertain to spend time along the Washington-Oregon coastline:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/0...ly-big-one

The follow-up piece is here:

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/h...-one-comes

I don't know if you'll read that pair of articles but if you do (or if anyone else does), I'm interested to hear of thoughts about staying in that area in light of the information presented in those two pieces.
(05-22-2017, 06:47 PM)highdesertranger Wrote: [ -> ]I was going to say get above 7k.  so now I say go north and get along the coast or above 5k.

Thanks, HDR. I'm thinking 'north' may be a better option for me than the Pacific Northwest coastline (see my reply to Blanch for reasons). Given the forecast for this summer (1-minute video here: Summer 2017 Temperature Outlook), it seems that most of North Dakota, most of northernmost central- and eastern- areas of Montana, and northern Wisconsin are now finalists in my area selection.

If you (or anyone else reading this) are familiar with those areas, I'm interested in more specific recommendations.
I would choose Montana. (for me, passport, Canada).
(05-22-2017, 09:03 PM)Richard Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, Blanch. Yes, Oregon is definitely a candidate area on the basis of temperature. Not only Oregon, but also Washington's coast, particularly near Bellingham, was on my short list of preferred places to spend the summer.

That said, during my research I found a sobering article from the July 2015's "The New Yorker" magazine. It's a lengthy piece exploring the seismic risk to Washington's and Oregon's coastline. That risk comes from a fault known as the Cascadia subduction zone, and it poses far more significant risk than the San Andreas ever has, or is projected to have, on California.

It's not at all a fear-mongering piece. In fact, the following year its author won the Pulitzer Prize and a National Magazine Award for feature writing. I consider it a fine example of journalism and very relevant to any plans one may entertain to spend time along the Washington-Oregon coastline:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/0...ly-big-one

The follow-up piece is here:

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/h...-one-comes

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Well...... I was a geological sciences major in college with a minor in physics. The article is well written and does a good job of explaining the science. But it is fear mongering. We live on a planet and stuff happens on a planet. Tsunamis, earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, wild fires..... I can't protect myself from all of it. If it's my time then it's my time.

BTW I lived in Crescent City when the 2011 tsunami hit. I was working as a senior DBA and I got a call at about 5am that a tsunami was on the way. I went into work and unplugged my server and put it in my truck and went to high ground. There was plenty of warning for that particular disaster.

That evening I went to the harbor and got a picture of the free floating ships in the damaged harbor at sunset. I won a award for the picture.
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You'll have to go North to get temps at a lower elevation. With the need for recreational marijuana that list gets short. Some States may offer reciprocity on Medical Status. I also wouldn't rule out AK and Canada.
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