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Bob asked this question on Memorial day 2020.

I don’t have a YouTube account to participate in Bob’s video comments, so I wonder what you think?

I had to do the things Bob admonished before van life in order to save for my current life on the road.

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Can you give a CliffsNotes version?
In my very early years at Uni.. we had to write a compare contrast paper. I chose to compare and contrast wolves and coyotes.

While they seem very similar they are very different in many ways. The most pertinent to this particular question is that wolves are indeed pack animals. They are very "tribal" which is of course how some folks live in this lifestyle. I think however the majority of us are coyotes.

Coyotes typically run in a much smaller group..usually just the mate and the lil ones( only until they are old enuff to leave). They do occasionally socialize together while out and about but they don't live in any pack/tribe. They roam a very random area that meanders, unlike wolves that have fairly strict boundaries that they claim and defend.

Of course a wolf tends to be perceived as a much more noble critter than a coyote( I guess). But very few of us are wolves.

Wolves howl btw while coyotes yodel. So the next time you get moon fever.. let us hear your yodel echo across the countryside!
Yodely Coyote. Has a ring to it.
(05-28-2020, 08:49 PM)iamk Wrote: [ -> ]I had to do the things Bob admonished before van life in order to save for my current life on the road.

Without all the ants where would all the vans,auto parts,highways and bridges, cool camping gadgets, internet infrastructure, laptops, batteries,solar panels and all the other wonderful things that make this lifestyle possible come from?

Sitting back and enjoying the fruits of labor done by others is not the coolest thing...
Up till recently the idea of live on public land was attractive. Because of the pandemic many are finding they are getting the bums rush to leave. A number of Youtube nomads are out now looking for land to buy. About the only places that will allow you to live in a RV on your own land are in pretty remote places.

There are advantages and disadvantages to everything. There are good and bad things about mobile life just as there are about buying a house, or renting. I lived a good portion of my life on a boat in the San Francisco area, and then in an RV for a while. Today I live in a sticks and bricks. From experience I can tell you that you can be happy or unhappy no matter what you live in. Going from one to another just changes the advantages and disadvantages.

There are advantages and disadvantages also to being a permanent worker or a migrant. I am retired now from being a permanent worker and have a very nice pension along with maximum Social Security , (Bob Wells also retired from a union grocery job and enjoys income from that along with Social Security and his youtube and forum accounts). He got pretty lucky I think being in the right place at the right time for Youtube and this forum with Amazon links, but most people following his advice will not have that and also will not have any other type of retirement income. Many people who were not permanent workers are having a tough time financially in their older age. They may not even have enough paid in contributions to even qualify for Social Security benefits.

The idea of being a free spirit not accountable to anyone else in society is a very risky position to take I think. I would encourage young people to get an education and learn an occupation which pays well serving others. Otherwise in your old age you will not have much of an option of your living conditions. You may be forced into a vehicle, or even a cardboard box. Nobody is going to sign over their pension check to you, even the ones who told you to be a free spirit.
(05-28-2020, 11:03 PM)DannyB1954 Wrote: [ -> ]You may be forced into a vehicle.
I figured that  was what Bob focuses on. Offering tips to those of minimal means "Live their Best Life" Of course he does show some of the flash that is driving around but I think the purpose of CRVL is to show people they don't have to run the rat race to get a pension or spending their whole lives generating wealth for others.

The trend nowadays is a repudiation of the status quo. Fewer and fewer folks are thinking the 9-5 grind is worth it. The attainment of material things is looked down on by larger and larger swaths of people.. usually non boomers.  It is a new era, many folks can AND do work while mobile. I am one of them.

Folks still need an income of some sort.. whether it is working for someone else or themselves. I don't think many believe their pensions will be what was promised, if they are there at all. On any given day another company or govt entity is cutting pensions. Social Security??..LOL.. Folks are better off in saving as much as possible and reducing expenses.. you don't get there by paying a mortgage and associated sticks and bricks expenses.

The pursuit of money and things is not the priority of most people in this lifestyle.  Its called doing more with less.

I would encourage young people to get a TRADE and take it on the road. Traveling nurse would be a great gig also for this lifestyle.

I am a bit perplexed at why you are even posting here Danny.. I mean I understand its a free world so to speak. But if you aren't living vanlife  why would you then take the effort to come here and dissuade others from this lifestyle?

This forum site is about supporting and advocating the mobile lifestyle. Certainly there is a forum where you could post your 100 reasons of why vanlife is baaaaad.??

Coyotes and wolves frequent here.. not sheep.
(05-28-2020, 11:25 PM)desert_sailing Wrote: [ -> ]I am a bit perplexed at why you are even posting here Danny.. I mean I understand its a free world so to speak. But if you aren't living vanlife  why would you then take the effort to come here and dissuade others from this lifestyle?

This forum site is about supporting and advocating the mobile lifestyle. Certainly there is a forum where you could post your 100 reasons of why vanlife is baaaaad.??

Coyotes and wolves frequent here.. not sheep.
I lived the mobile life as I had explained. I still part time. If you do not wish my experience, than ignore it.

Bob's message is not for the young people to get an education. People are not in a rat race because they work for others. They are in the race because of the idea that things will bring happiness, (including the mobile life style). It is far cheaper for me to buy a house in the rural area where I live than it is for me to get in one of my RV's and travel.


There are at least two sides to every story. You only want to hear what the good about mobile living is and have others be quiet about the bad.  Mobile life can be good for some and terrible for others.  You only want people to hear the propaganda that you have fallen for. You are helping others into something that may not be right for them. Some may be far better off taking advantage of social assistance than shivering in a car. A friend of mine lives in a nice two bedroom apartment in Alameda Ca, (very nice town). his rent is $60 a month. I would be happy to live there but I do not qualify as my income is high.

It is not all roses and gravy on the road.
It's true."Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".Living a hand to mouth existence in a vehicle constantly searching for somewhere to park that the cops or property owners won't run you off has to be a very stressful way to exist.I love my traveling for several months each year but I usually stay in campgrounds on lakes or in the mountains.No way am I going to tolerate having to sneak around to live.Or live in a Walmart parking lot.I understand there are people who have to live this way because of poor life choices.I just don't understand the glamorizing of a desperate way to live.I understand Bob Wells pushing the lifestyle because that's the way he makes a living.As the saying goes"You pays yur money and you takes yur choice".
I don't think Bob talks enough about what comes after boondocking. At some point, we won't physically be able to live this lifestyle anymore, what then? If you don't have a substantial asset, life is going to be very rough, at a time when you need it to be easy.

I always advocate the Mustachian FIRE lifestyle, work hare, spend less, save more so that you can reach FIRE as soon as possible. (Financially independent, retire early) This way at 50+/- years old and you love your job, then fine, nothing lost. But if you yearn for more out of life you can quit and try something different with little risk.
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