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Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - gcal - 01-03-2016

Just saw on YouTube a situation where a woman adopted a "problem" pit bull that had already attacked another dog. She wanted it for protection, but was definitely not the kind of person who should own such a dog. No aggressive training program. No persistent socializing efforts. She often let it run unleashed in areas where that was not allowed, including areas where livestock was grazing. She could barely control the dog even on a leash, but refused to keep a muzzle on it when it was outside. As expected, it just killed another dog and bit her. It will be put down. 

A lot of campgrounds and towns are banning pitbulls. Some campgrounds are banning other breeds, as well. In a campground, you are generally right on top of other campers and their dogs, which could set off a dog or person aggressive animal. I'd be interested in knowing what experiences others have been in training, traveling and dealing with aggressive breeds. Personally, we travel with a small dog whose job is to let DH know that he needs to take the safety off the Ruger.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - gcal - 01-03-2016

BTW, we have never, ever, in all the years we have traveled, not once found ourselves in a situation where having a large, aggressive dog to protect us would have been useful.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - Snow Gypsy - 01-03-2016

We haven't been in private parks in a while but our 11 year old Chow/Shepherd, raised for her first year of life in a private RV park is banned from several parks based on either or both of her predominant breeds. Some cities/counties do have bans on "aggressive" breeds and we just moved from one 3 years ago. I will need the ability to boondock because of my dog. Hey, if Rinnie isn't welcome, I can spend my money elsewhere. I am glad to learn there are alternatives to the discriminating private parks. Camped last year at Corp of Engineer parks with no problem.

In town, we have had a few "incidents". A stun gun, where legal, with just the static sound plus yelling "No!" as loud as possible almost always has worked with us, the exceptions were with certain members of dog aggressive breeds. Small breeds tend to like to bite the legs of my larger dogs and they are easily discouraged by the static sound. I know some people carry a walking stick which I did for some time but the first time I had to try to use it to actually get a dog away from mine, it really didn't work. The dog was much faster. The stun gun, not even getting good contact, will redirect a dog that is trying to attack or it did for us and it buys time. Also, the yelling "No!" gets human attention.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - buckwilk - 01-03-2016

Dogs will be dogs but the problem most often is the owner. Large breeds are problematic in RV parks because so many people have the aggressive small breeds, the two don't mix well. At an RTR a couple of years back a woman had a Jack Russel that attacked every other dog it came near. The owner would tell you it was going to happen and made no effort to control her animal. Dog problems are most often people problems.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - Canine - 01-03-2016

My dog and I have been in a number of dog fights- still got scars. Dog parks and me don't get along. Aggression isn't inherently a bad thing, though. My preference lies with powerful, high-drive dogs because those dogs make the best working dogs. I have no patience for inappropriate aggression and BS excuses from owners who think they know what they are doing.

I've had two instances (that I know of) where my dog kept a bad person away from us. The one time I could have been more alert to my surroundings. The other time things happen. Both circumstances I can't tell you with absolute certainty that they were up to no good because I stopped the interaction before anything was allowed to happen, but the circumstances strongly suggested that they were bad men. If you want a powerful dog, you MUST be a competent trainer and you MUST accept the consequences of your dog's behaviors no matter what. No excuses. You are responsible for your dog whether that is fair or not.

If I had a choice between a small, alert dog and a large, powerful, aggressive dog that didn't pay attention to my surroundings at all, I would choose the small dog. No contest. Being aware of your surroundings and avoiding conflict is a more successful method of staying safe compared to being able to fight your way out of conflict.

I had a dog go after me and my dog a few years ago and got it on video. Cops didn't do a thing. That dog had already attacked other dogs and its owner; am sure it went on to attack again. Sometimes we need to take more responsibility for our safety instead of shifting that burden onto law enforcement or taking away the choices and freedoms of responsible dog owners.

I let my dog run loose around other dogs. Sometimes another dog will attack her then the fight is on. I've never had any of the owners get mad at me for hurting/injuring their dog in self defense.

My dog is banned in some areas. I don't go there if possible. If I do go there and someone asks me what kind of dog she is, I tell them she is a mutt. They will sometimes say she looks like a pit bull and try to get me to admit to it, but I don't try to make their job easier by giving information favorable to them. I try to make my job (being a responsible dog owner) easier by talking as little as possible.

I sure hope the lady that had her dog put down had some criminal charges brought against her. A lot of people won't do a thing about their dog unless it hits them in the pocketbook. Would like to see more owners held responsible for the criminal, dangerous behaviors of their dogs; this would do more to curb dangerous dogs than anything else.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - Gary68 - 01-03-2016

they are all dogs,they are all predatory animals,they are all made to kill,the pet thing has to be trained in to them


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - flying kurbmaster - 01-03-2016

I am with GSFish on this one, they creep me out, I know that is the idea.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - Canine - 01-03-2016

(01-03-2016, 01:33 PM)gsfish Wrote:  ... after attacking someone in the family from out of the blue.

Guy

Didn't happen out of the blue. No excuses. There was a reason those dogs bit someone. Like when you see people on TV that "snapped" and hurt people. Almost never happens. There are almost always recognizable reasons that lead up to aggressive behavior. Being a family pet is not an indicator of proper or improper behavior. I've seen a number of family pets that became aggressive but had never been beaten or neglected. Showing love at the wrong times will encourage aggressive behavior.

Those exceptionally few times that a dog does "snap" and hurt someone out of the blue is such a statistical improbability that it shouldn't be considered as a general factor.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - gcal - 01-03-2016

(01-03-2016, 01:52 PM)Gary68 Wrote:  they are all dogs,they are all predatory animals,they are all made to kill,the pet thing has to be trained in to them

Not quite all there is to it. Genes still matter. I can call my poodle off rabbits and treed squirrels. Once our old beagle got a prey scent on his brain, he wasn't coming back until he caught it or lost it. The poodle can be trusted off leash. The beagle never could. And yes, I am aware that a beagle is one of the dumbest animals on 4 legs. Butch did his best to prove it every single day. But blood still counts. We worked with that beast every day for 3 years until my uncle took him for his hunting pack. We could never trust that dog not to run if he was not tied up or confined.


RE: Pit bullsv& Other Aggressive Breeds - mockturtle - 01-03-2016

My sister's four-year-old granddaughter in MT was recently mauled badly by their own pit bull mix. She was in intensive care in Seattle for weeks, had several surgeries and will need more. Pit bulls, having been bred to fight to kill, cannot be depended on to restrain that impulse in all circumstances. Many--if not most--dog lovers will disagree but they won't change my mind. I am a dog lover, too, and protect mine by carrying bear spray in case of aggressive dog attacks.