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RE: Good morning - jacqueg - 05-14-2020

(05-14-2020, 09:13 AM)maki2 Wrote:  The feds are letting the governors have the authority to say what gets closed within their state land including the ability to say that the federal land is closed for camping.  Of course the governors do not have the right to overturn the federal government decision should the feds decide to close federal lands. So in Washington state at present all camping on federal and state lands, including dispersed camping is closed thru the end of this month. What will happen in June has not yet been announced.

There are still some private campgrounds open. Those were businesses deemed to be essential as they had some long term residents who would have had no other place to go.



RE: Good morning - jacqueg - 05-14-2020

(05-14-2020, 09:13 AM)maki2 Wrote:  The feds are letting the governors have the authority to say what gets closed within their state land including the ability to say that the federal land is closed for camping.  Of course the governors do not have the right to overturn the federal government decision should the feds decide to close federal lands. So in Washington state at present all camping on federal and state lands, including dispersed camping is closed thru the end of this month. What will happen in June has not yet been announced.

There are still some private campgrounds open. Those were businesses deemed to be essential as they had some long term residents who would have had no other place to go.

Please link to something official. Because that isn't what the official USFS covid19 site says - https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r6/home/?cid=FSEPRD716206, nor what the official BLM covid19 site says - https://www.blm.gov/oregon-washington/covid-access-restrictions


RE: Good morning - maki2 - 05-14-2020

(05-14-2020, 09:42 AM)jacqueg Wrote:  Please link to something official. Because that isn't what the official USFS covid19 site says - https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r6/home/?cid=FSEPRD716206, nor what the official BLM covid19 site says - https://www.blm.gov/oregon-washington/covid-access-restrictions
I am not going to hunt down every one of the federal agencies individually to prove the veracity of what I stated.
But here is one of them. The other federal agencies that have camping in Washington state have also adopted the same cooperation policy. Region 6, USDA Forest Service official website link below.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r6/home/?cid=FSEPRD716206#alerts

excerpt from this NFS (national forest service) website:
The health and safety of visitors as well as Forest Service employees and volunteers is paramount during the COVID-19 pandemic. We are working across the Pacific Northwest Region to align with the Governors' orders in Oregon and Washington state as well as the guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control to help reduce the spread of the virus.

BLM release from April:
https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-temporarily-closes-recreation-sites-across-washington-state

There is currently Day use only in some area parks and trails however at least through the end of May there is no camping allowed on the public lands in WA state.


RE: Good morning - travelaround - 05-14-2020

Good morning/day... I'm a little past noon. It has been raining this morning and I've been housecleaning and reimagining a few rooms here. Everything is so green outside and there is an abundance of flowers in the yard - especially the roses. The lilacs faded and I want to go cut them back as soon as the weather allows.


RE: Good morning - maki2 - 05-14-2020

I was sorting through some boxes of supplies and found 4 more N95 mask.

Can you tell my life is pretty much uneventful when I am happy about finding some extra dust masks in my stash Wink


RE: Good morning - jacqueg - 05-14-2020

(05-14-2020, 12:53 PM)maki2 Wrote:  I am not going to hunt down every one of the federal agencies individually to prove the veracity of what I stated.
But here is one of them. The other federal agencies that have camping in Washington state have also adopted the same cooperation policy.  Region 6, USDA Forest Service official website link below.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r6/home/?cid=FSEPRD716206#alerts

excerpt from this NFS (national forest service) website:
The health and safety of visitors as well as Forest Service employees and volunteers is paramount during the COVID-19 pandemic. We are working across the Pacific Northwest Region to align with the Governors' orders in Oregon and Washington state as well as the guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control to help reduce the spread of the virus.

BLM release from April:
https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-temporarily-closes-recreation-sites-across-washington-state

There is currently Day use only in some area parks and trails however at least through the end of May there is no camping allowed on the public lands in WA state.
 Um, yes, that's the same site I posted. Absolutely nothing is said, in the forests I looked at, about dispersed camping being closed.

Developed sites/campgrounds on both state and federal lands are indeed closed, I have never said different.

Your statement that dispersed camping is banned on federal land is what I am interested in. Surely you had a basis for making that statement?


RE: Good morning - maki2 - 05-14-2020

(05-14-2020, 03:36 PM)jacqueg Wrote:   Um, yes, that's the same site I posted. Absolutely nothing is said, in the forests I looked at, about dispersed camping being closed.

Developed sites/campgrounds on both state and federal lands are indeed closed, I have never said different.

Your statement that dispersed camping is banned on federal land is what I am interested in. Surely you had a basis for making that statement?
The dispersed camping closures are on Governor Inslee's official WA state Covid 19 website.   Go look at it, he created the official order for it in March when he created the Stay at Home orders. He knew that just closing state campgrounds would not be sufficient to contain the virus. So the federal agencies cooperated in this matter.


RE: Good morning - maki2 - 05-14-2020

Here is the DNR website for the State of Washington. It clearly states Day Use only with no camping until further notice. That was posted on the site as of May 5. Camping was closed in March and has not yet reopened. That situation according to Governor Inslee will not be changing before June.
https://www.dnr.wa.gov/open

It is not just the DNR lands, it is all public lands in Washington state that are currently closed to camping.


RE: Good morning - bonvanroulez - 05-14-2020

(05-14-2020, 08:54 PM)maki2 Wrote:  The dispersed camping closures are on Governor Inslee's official WA state Covid 19 website.   Go look at it, he created the official order for it in March when he created the Stay at Home orders. He knew that just closing state campgrounds would not be sufficient to contain the virus. So the federal agencies cooperated in this matter.

This sounds like something you saw on facebook, which is just full of misinformation. If you actually know where this information is located on the website you cited, please post a link to the citation. To make it easy here is a link to all of Governor Inslee's covid-related proclamations.
https://www.governor.wa.gov/office-governor/official-actions/proclamations
I have read through them and found nothing like what you claim.

Every valid source that I have read says that BLM and USFS lands in Washington and Oregon are open for dispersed camping, including at a link that you posted above.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r6/home/?cid=FSEPRD716206#alerts
"The developed recreation closure orders are limited to developed recreation - many general areas (including trails and roads) remain open for various activities, including hiking and dispersed camping, unless an additional area closure is in effect."

 I have also heard same from reports on the ground, people actually camping in those areas.

Another site that I visit had to start a policy, because of so much posting of misinformation, that any post about camping closures must be accompanied with a valid link to substantiate the information, or the post will be deleted. I wish there was a similar policy here. People rely on this site for good factual information.


RE: Good morning - bonvanroulez - 05-14-2020

(05-14-2020, 09:14 PM)maki2 Wrote:  Here is the DNR website for the State of Washington. It clearly states Day Use only with no camping until further notice. That was posted on the site as of May 5. Camping was closed in March and has not yet reopened. That situation according to Governor Inslee will not be changing before June.
https://www.dnr.wa.gov/open

It is not just the DNR lands, it is all public lands in Washington state that are currently closed to camping.

You seem to be conflating Washington DNR public lands with other federal public lands. WA Department of Natural Resources manages Washington state owned lands, which are public lands, but are completely different than US public or federal lands, which include BLM or Bureau of Land Management, part of the US Department of the Interior, and USFS or National Forests, the US Forest service, part of the US Department of Agriculture. Neither federal agency are related to Washington DNR.