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RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - Kaylee - 08-30-2019

Qxxx:
Excellent summary!
Agreed that disposal is a Taboo Subject, so don't-ask-don't-tell. Smile

Why did you go with kitty litter instead of small pet bedding?
There's plenty of solid adherents for both and it has not produced bickering, so seems safe to discuss. Smile
My general impression was that hamster bedding is more environmentally friendly, lighter, plus...
I admit, one tiny-weeny-Geeky reason for me was... "hamsters is nice" (that's a Firefly quote, for all you Muggles). Big Grin

Last week, I tried a new experiment:
While pre-packing some bags with hamster bedding, I added a shake of cinnamon to each.
It helped. A lot. Smile
I go about one week (5-9 days) between disposals, and don't yet have a gamma seal, just a lightly closed bucket lid.

If any poo powder users could accurately track their, um, "usage" and thus cost, please post. Smile


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - cherterr - 08-30-2019

Litter is better because it absorbs and Clumps the liquid, is not expensive, and if you prefer, can have a pleasant scent. It also takes much less than pine shavings, in my experience. We're talking for urine, here. lol

Pooh.. really doesn't require it, but since there are times when some urine is released after a pooh... litter is a good thing.

Pooh powder... sounds like one more thing that isn't carried consistently at your local Dollar Store? Sounds interesting tho!

ORANGE:
For that pooh storage container... MAKE SURE you're getting the PET FOOD container. You need to either get the one I linked on first page of this post OR show up In Person to confirm that the lid GRABS the can if you want to keep odor down. It wasn't JUST about being 'metal'. Smile


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - Kaylee - 08-30-2019

cherterr:
Thanks for explaining your approach!

I'm confused why you're using anything for pure urine.
I'm storing a week's worth of urine in a 5 quart oil container & a laundry bottle, then dump & rinse both when I come into town. I usually add a bit of DrBronner's peppermint soap after the initial rinses, and the smell is ok.
I'm a Traumatic Brain Injury survivor, so do have hyper sensitive / Vulcan senses. Smile

I'm using the hamster bedding just for "poo", though often (as you mentioned) with a bit of free urine.
Over the last 4 months, I've only used about 10% of the 500 cubic inch (8L) bag I bought last year.
Maybe I'm "supposed" to use more?

Fellow hamster peeps (i.e. "pine bedding"): how much do you use per poop bag?

I admit to having cat sat many times, which left me with an aversion to kitty litter, plus, my points made above.
As others have said, it partly boils down to personal preference.


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - cherterr - 08-30-2019

Sorry you're confused. Page one of this thread explains MY senario, so won't repeat here.

Above I was addressing additional things. Smile
Basically the difference (in MY experieince) between shavings and litter for you; that's all.

Original post is about POOH; long term 'storage'.


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - Kaylee - 08-30-2019

Ok, just re-read your first page post, and am still confused.
My impression both now & when I first read it was that you were using the porta potti for urine only, and using bags/litter/etc & the metal can for poo.

Thanks for your specificity about the can - that's very helpful. Smile

I do understand your logic for kitty litter, but I'm not clear why you don't like shavings.

Also (new question), how much litter do you (anyone) go thru in a month or a year?
I'd like to see lots more numbers in every thread here. Smile


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - Qxxx - 08-30-2019

Ummm, I don't remember the "hamsters is nice" quote. Don't know anything about hamster bedding either. Bob Wells or someone mentioned kitty litter, so that's easy enough to find, and the only thing I've tried, but other peoples have mentioned various other stuff to use in the bucket.

Off hand, in various previous threads, I believe VanTramp (now on the high seas somewheres) was the one who mentioned poo powder, I think because they were using it on their boat. A bit expensive, but sanctioned by the authorities, whereas there is a "lot" of disagreement about tossing anything else straight into a dumpster. And which brings up the 10 different opinions. I had not wanted to resurrect those disagreements, so I mentioned the many other threads for reference, and personally abstain from fessing up on my own methods. In roughly 3-4 months I went through a 15 pound container of kitty litter. In general, there is very little liquid in the poop bucket, given my tidy, meticulous, and very finiky practices.

http://www.van-tramp.com/wp/
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=poo+powder
https://www.amazon.com/Cleanwaste-Mini-Powder-Waste-Treatment/dp/B002AEHYP8


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - Kaylee - 08-31-2019

(08-30-2019, 10:39 PM)Qxxx Wrote:  which brings up the 10 different opinions. I had not wanted to resurrect those disagreements, so I mentioned the many other threads for reference, and personally abstain from fessing up on my own methods. In roughly 3-4 months I went through a 15 pound container of kitty litter. In general, there is very little liquid in the poop bucket, given my tidy, meticulous, and very finiky practices.
Yes, I vividly remember that thread. It was one of the ones were the disposal bullies got all huffy, yet never offered a viable method or admitted what they were doing. That was when I first began to suspect that a lot of posters have no field experience and are, um, "full of it". Smile

I concur with your abstention, and will join you in it. Big Grin

Thanks for the data!
One of my tasks today was to dig out my bale of pine bedding & refill my in cabin baggies, and I was surprised at how little volume I had used.
Roughly what was the volume of your 3-4 months container?

I am open to trying kitty litter, after my current bundle is finished.
One big bonus is some of the plastic kitty litter containers are a mighty fine size for reuse which really seems worthy of its own thread. Smile
As you say, amount used will vary by person, so the only way to get reliable data is for people who have tried both to monitor their use & report back.

As you say, there have been lots of suggestions.
I narrowed it down to kitty litter and small pet bedding, because both are readily available & gently priced.

(08-30-2019, 10:39 PM)Qxxx Wrote:  Ummm, I don't remember the "hamsters is nice" quote.
In episode "Jaynestown", when Kaylee & Simon were in the bar, more than a bit sloshed, and Simon is more than a bit perturbed at all the attention paid to Jayne, mentions he saved a girl's leg, and all the thanks he got was that she named her hamster after him.
Kaylee, ever the empath, replies with the above quote. Smile

I strongly suspect you "need" to do a fresh marathon, to re-imprint it on your brain. Smile
It's 20 days until the 17th anniversary of the first broadcast, which is always a Good Excuse to rewatch the series. Smile


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - cherterr - 09-09-2019

Kaylee Wrote:I do understand your logic for kitty litter, but I'm not clear why you don't like shavings.

Also (new question), how much litter do you (anyone) go thru in a month or a year?
I'd like to see lots more numbers in every thread here. Smile

Shavings were just not viable to me.  Very puffy, takes mass quantities to cover, and it not particularly abosorbent; and in a van... that probably needs to happen pretty darn quick. Wink

Gosh... Amount of litter in a month.  Defiantly not more than a 'jug'.  I get the really cheap (clumping.. I guess they All are now?) at the Dollar Store.  Maybe two months?  Poop is surprisingly smaller than you would think.  (Maybe toilet water bowls makes it look bigger? SmileSmile

The reason for litter w/pooing:  it's more for accidental 'pee' leaks really and odor control.  For some reason I mentally feel better knowing I can give the bag a little shake after it's tied to cover stuff up.  (Wow.  This is getting weird.. lol)

During my initial 'experiments' I purchased a really unusable piece of crap.. oh..haha.. of a bucket toilet w/seat and urine diverter for Wayyyy too much money.  It called for shavings.  HATED IT for MANY reasons, leaking not being the least.  If I could remember the name I'd post it to help others save their money.  The whole shavings thing in THAT particular item was ridiculous.  It took MOUNDS of shavings just to cover a pooh.  Shavings take up a lot of storage space.. for THAT particular item.  There may be some out there who love it and have a facility that it works with.

Hope this helps you.. and I noticed earlier you were gonna get the wrong metal bucket!!  Use the link I gave you.  It HAS to be a TIGHT TIGHT fitting lid.  All those little trash cans have 'lips' on the lids, but unless its a FOOD CONTAINER, it will not be tight enough to control odor.

The Boy Scouts used to have a saying: KISS.. Keep It Simple Stupid. Seems to me this is a good rule of thumb for van dwelling toileting issues. Smile (Not calling anyone stupid..it's a saying.. and hopefully there aren't those sorts of easily offended snowflakes on HERE. Smile


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - highdesertranger - 09-09-2019

ROTFLMAO, Cinnamon.

now my side hurts.

highdesertranger


RE: Sit, Stay, Good Girl/Boy! 14 days of poop - Kaylee - 09-09-2019

(09-09-2019, 05:12 PM)cherterr Wrote:  Wow.  This is getting weird.. lol

YES! Where's that "LOL" button?!? Smile
Very well said!
Thanks for the clarifications. I understand much better now. Smile

For the record, I'm not at all trying to cover my "poo".
I use a handful of shavings, and their main job is to absorb liquids.
After doing my thing, I gently collapse the bag with the poo+shavings+tp at the very bottom, then tie it off as close as practical to the bottom, then move it into my storage container.
This past week, I used more shavings, purely because (as mentioned above) I did my first restock (into 2 big ziplocks from the bale), so felt I was using so little that I should try more (partly also due to this thread).


HDR: Yes, cinnamon rocks!!! Smile
I blame/credit solar/gentleman-Jim-who's-no-longer-in-Denver. Smile
At Gary's forum, I had asked about techniques to mask some smoking smells in my van (only found out about them after driving half way across the country to view & purchase the van).
I had figured fried SPAM & onions would work well (yup!).
Jim casually mentioned having accidentally spilled cinnamon several-ish months before, and the smell still lingering. I decided to pick up a buck bottle from Walmart, and sprinkled some on the front seats. Helped a lot. Re-applied about once per day for a few days, then "as desired".
Later during the trip back, I tried some in my pee bowl, and it also worked well.

Last week was my 2nd week using it in my pre-assembled poo bags, and it definitely helped.
All I do is unroll about 3-5 bags, open each, add hamster shavings (shake to place at bottom), add a shake or two of cinnamon, then very loosely twist & roll up the bag so it's all ready to deploy.

Please, somebody/somebodies else try cinnamon, and report back. It should work fine with kitty litter too.
Science demands it! Smile