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Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - BigT - 12-22-2019

I live and work in California, and moving away isn't going to happen for a while.  
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Is the requirement for a physical address only for DL purposes, or do I need it for general citizenship and legal life on the streets?  

I might be able to find a friend who will let me use their home address, but I'm reluctant to do that, because I don't see it as their responsibility and don't like to ask too much of my friends.  I don't have any family members who can do it.  

I've read various blog posts from this site, but I'm finding it very confusing and stressful..  Most of my friends are telling me I don't need a physical address to live the nomadic life, but I don't think they know what they're talking about, not being van-dwellers themselves.  

From what I can gather, it seems I need one if applying for a DL, Real-ID, bank account, auto insurance, etc, but do I need one for renewing my DL every 5 years?  
Once I have a DL, a bank account, car insurance, etc., do I still need to prove I live somewhere to be a California resident, or only when it comes time to renew the DL or open a new account or insure a new car?  

In the last month I've been spending 5-6 nights a week sleeping in my van at work, and I really like it.  It's a little small, but I have a safe place to park that has a shower, and access to free food at work (real food from cafes).  This has me wanting to go full-time and get rid of my crummy little 8 unit apartment building and its Section-8 gang member residents.   Confused

The problem is, I'm confused about what I need to pull it off and not find the DMV yanking my license or my credit union closing my accounts.  
I make my living with my commercial license, so it's important that I keep it legal.  

I'm sorry, I know this is an old question that's asked far too many times, but I'm starting to feel like I'm coming unwound with stress, anxiety, and depression.  I hate where I'm living, but I can't afford to move.  Rents in the Bay Area are INSANE, so I'm stuck here and feel mobile life is my only affordable option.  Fortunately, I like the idea of living in my van, so it's not like it's a last-ditch option I'm only doing because I have to.  

- Tim


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - Firebuild - 12-22-2019

I have a friend who is a California van dweller who for years used the address of a religious charitable organization as his mailing address (with their permission - apparently they receive mail for many homeless people). Prior to that he was using "general delivery" which you wouldn't think would work in LA county (I don't think it does anymore).


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - maki2 - 12-23-2019

The regulations for getting a license are spelled out on each and every USA state's website. It is all online along with a phone number to call if you need to talk to a live person. It will also tell you what to bring in the way of documentation, where to go to apply, what the cost is and how long it will take to receive it.

Or you can go to the physical location, take whatever ID you have with you and talk to the person at the intake counter. They will look it over and let you know if you have enough proof with you and if not what other forms of proof you can use.


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - MrNoodly - 12-23-2019

You'd save a lot of money on registration and insurance if you could establish residency somewhere other than California.


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - michaelwnoakes - 12-23-2019

I have GEICO insurance and they want a real address for my account. The New York DMV wants one for plate renewal and state safety inspections as well. I don't know how it is in other states though.


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - Cogswell Sprocket - 12-23-2019

(12-22-2019, 08:01 PM)BigT Wrote:  I live and work in California, and moving away isn't going to happen for a while.  
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Is the requirement for a physical address only for DL purposes, or do I need it for general citizenship and legal life on the streets?  
Apologies if the quote and my response float into one another. I'm not very good at this. There are only three states that do not require you to have a physical address for your driver's license, insurance, and all that stuff. These are Florida, Texas, and South Dakota. None of those three states have personal income tax either. Check out the website for Escapees.com. They have a lot of information on the subject of nomadic living. Which retired people in the US have been doing for the better part of a century. And humans in general, for a few hundred thousand years.


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - maki2 - 12-24-2019

just remember that things people say in forums need to be double checked. For instance the information about not needing a physical address for a driver's license in Texas. If you are new to the state you do have to show proof of residence, you can't just get a mailbox address and use that for proof. https://www.dps.texas.gov/driverlicense/residencyreqnoncdl.htm

The mail they are talking about in this list of options below needs to have a physical address for your residence on it.

Texas Residency Requirement for Driver Licenses and ID Cards

Learn more about other documents that must be presented when applying for or renewing a driver license, ID card, or commercial driver license.

To verify Texas residency, an individual must present two documents from the drop down menu below. Both documents must contain the individual's name and residential address. One of the documents must verify that the individual has lived in Texas for at least 30 days. Individuals who are surrendering a valid, unexpired driver license from another state, or applying for a commercial driver license, must still present proof of residency; however, the 30 day requirement is waived.

Individuals who are unable to provide two acceptable documents may be eligible to complete a Texas Residency Affidavit.

NOTE: A brochure listing all of the following documents is available for download.

Any of the following documents will be accepted to verify an individual's Texas residency. The two documents provided must be issued by different companies or agencies. For example, an individual may not use a water bill and an electricity bill from the same company.

NOTE: Remember, all documents presented must contain the individual's name and Texas residential address.

Current deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, mortgage payment booklet or a residential rental/lease agreement
Valid, unexpired Texas voter registration card
Texas motor vehicle registration or title
Texas boat registration or title
Concealed Handgun License (CHL) or License to Carry (LTC)
Utility statement (including electric, water, natural gas, satellite TV, cable TV or noncellular phone bill) dated within 90 days of the date of application
Selective Service card
Medical or health card
Current homeowner’s or renter’s insurance policy or homeowner’s or renter’s insurance statement
Current automobile insurance policy or an automobile insurance statement
Texas high school, college or university report card or transcript for the current school year
W-2 or 1099 tax form from the current tax year
Mail from financial institutions; including checking, savings, investment account and credit card statements dated within 90 days of the date of application
Mail from a federal, state, county or city government agency, or a third-party representing a government agency dated within 90 days of the date of application
Current automobile payment booklet
Pre-printed paycheck or payment stub dated within 90 days of the date of application
Current documents issued by the U.S. military indicating residence address
Document from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice indicating the applicant's recent release or parole
Current Form DS2019, I-20 or a document issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
Veteran's Health Identification Card (VHIC)
Letter of Texas residency issued by the Texas Juvenile Justice Department (TJJD)

Residency Requirement Waived

The residency requirement will be waived for individuals who are authorized to use an alternative address under the following circumstances:

Individuals subject to the Address Confidentiality Program (ACP) administered by the Attorney General of Texas
Judges or spouses of judges
Active duty military personnel, their spouses, and dependents may provide a residency address outside of Texas
Individuals currently incarcerated in a Texas Department of Criminal Justice facility

NOTE: Peace officers using an alternative address must still verify their Texas residency.
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37 Texas Administrative Code, Section 15.49
37 Texas Administrative Code, Section 16.7
Texas Transportation Code, Section 521.1426

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RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - highest_vision - 12-25-2019

Howdy,

I am currently doing this in New Mexico, and agree with maki said. I remember needing to hold my mouth just right, at the right time, for everything to work. I am not confident it is totally legit. I am using a local business that sells mailboxes that are actual addresses (it isn't a PO box), but they sure don't say that you can use them for residency! I do have a REAL ID, and my insurance is at that address, too. One of my banks balked at it. The other one didn't bat an eye.

Another concern to have would be things like jury summons. If you won't be at this address, you could find out about these in an uncomfortable way. There may be other things, too. Next year is a census year. I don't know what to expect for that. I had an apt in 2010. I am close enough to my mail place that I can go there once a month and grab mail. The place will also forward mail periodically if I pay for that.

I think a long term solution for me, and possibly you, is to do as mentioned above. Use a friend/family or buy a small parcel of land. This address can be the physical, but not the mailing. Lots of folks in the west have a physical that they cannot get mail at. It isn't weird, and the govt doesn't freak out about it.

James


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - wayne49 - 12-26-2019

"a local business that sells mailboxes that are actual addresses"
These are referred to as "commercial mailboxes" (CMB). This designation appears in commercial databases used for address validations. They are not stealthy addresses. In my IT career I had come across these databases twice.
I had used such a box at a UPS store in Bridgewater, NJ in 2015, when I vacated my apt and started stealth parking. It passed the NJ DMV (not Real Id at that time), but the Somerset County Board of Elections caught it, and informed me that I would need a residential address to vote. I had no intention of lying on an official government form, and as I was going to be leaving NJ in October, I took no further action.


RE: Do I no longer need the physical address once I get a DL? - maki2 - 12-26-2019

(12-25-2019, 09:27 PM)highest_vision Wrote:  ......There may be other things, too. Next year is a census year. I don't know what to expect for that.
James
The census does not require that you specifically be at any particular address or even a bricks and mortar structure when you fill out the form. All you have to put in is the location you are at when you fill in the census form.